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Date:      Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:21:51 -0800 (PST)
From:      Simon Shapiro <shimon@simon-shapiro.org>
To:        "John S. Dyson" <dyson@FreeBSD.ORG>
Cc:        jack@germanium.xtalwind.net, chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Sendmail going commercial, and ?
Message-ID:  <XFMail.980320122151.shimon@simon-shapiro.org>
In-Reply-To: <199803180757.CAA20792@dyson.iquest.net>

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Sorry for the delay.  I was out of town.

I think we have nothing to worry about.  If my help is needed, let me know.

Simon

On 18-Mar-98 John S. Dyson wrote:
> Simon Shapiro said:
>> 
>> The way I understand the Sendmail announcement, is that new, future,
>> versions will be commercially encumbered.  What is in our tree is not (I
>> cannot see how it could be).
>>
> I don't see that is necessarily true.  There will likely be a
> non-commercial
> as-is sendmail like today.  There will also be a commercial sendmail.
> 
>> 
>> Now, if we choose to just maintain this code base, we have no problem. 
>> Sendmail has been around for some decades now and should be pretty
>> stable.
>> It is safe to assume that new, replacement versions are not essential
>> anymore.  If we choose to bring in a new, commercial version, then we
>> will
>> violate many spoken and unspoken rules of this wonderful project.
>>
> We will not bring in the commercial version, by default, probably even if
> it is free for FreeBSD use.  People regularly like to hack on *BSD
> software,
> and additional encumberances just don't fit our model.
> 
>> 
>> If we find ourselves in a situation where we have to replace sendmail
>> with
>> unencumbered code, I volunteer to write it.  I do not enjoy such work in
>> particular, but will do it for the good of the project.  I promise to
>> make
>> the code Berkeley license, before I write the first line.
>>
>:-).  I think that if sendmail does become significantly encumbered, a new
> mailer project would be a very good thing.  It is likely that such a
> project
> either being a single person type thing, or a large (Apache) type thing
> would
> be a good marketing vehicle for whomever is involved.
> 
>> 
>> So where do you see us stand:
>> 
>> a.  No problem at all, business as usual
>> b.  We only sustain existing sendmail, and defer replacement until the
>> code
>>     athrophies enough (via missing new functionality, or just age)
>> c.  We want to replace sendmail asap, but have a replacement in mind.
>> d.  We need to start a new MTA project.
>> e.  Something else which Simon did not think about.
>>
> I think that right now, it is best to think in 'a' mode above.  'd' mode
> is a good thing, but something that one would want to think very
> seriously
> about before embarking on.  I think that 'b' mode would happen only if
> Sendmail does become significantly encumbered.  'c' mode is probably as
> problematical as a commercial sendmail.
> 
> Sendmail is the de-facto very (perhaps too) general standard, compared
> with
> other mailers.  I think that we should stick with it as the default until
> this thing settles out.  Again, if someone had lots of energy, 'd' can't
> be a
> bad thing.  I suspect that if the effort is started, that it might become
> commercial, due to the significant effort that the project would entail.
> 
> It seems that MTA replacements are one of those things that suck people
> in by their deceptive simplicity.  I could be wrong, because I haven't
> really looked into MTA's myself (except when having to mess with Sendmail
> config files, which I like much less than writing Lex and Yacc programs.)
> 
> Again, the above are only my opinions, and I don't have any interest
> in dissuading a new MTA project.  I do think that we are due for a new
> (less general, but easier to configure and simpler) one, but I also don't
> think that Sendmail will be going the way of the evil empire.  If it
> does,
> the problem will be solved, and I suspect that if you are interested,
> you and others interested in it would participate in or spearhead such
> an effort.  The results of that effort could be adopted by all of the
> Free OSes (kind-of like Apache.)
> 
> (Again, the above opinions are mine, and not necessarily that of -core.)
> 
> -- 
> John                  | Never try to teach a pig to sing,
> dyson@freebsd.org     | it just makes you look stupid,
> jdyson@nc.com         | and it irritates the pig.

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Sincerely Yours, 

Simon Shapiro
Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG                      Voice:   503.799.2313

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