Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 06:19:50 -0700 From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@time.cdrom.com> To: Frank Pawlak <fpawlak@execpc.com> Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, danj@3skel.com, jmb@FreeBSD.ORG, toor@dyson.iquest.net, brett@lariat.org, mike@smith.net.au, dshanes@personalogic.com Subject: Re: Promoting FreeBSD - the user's piece of the action. Message-ID: <29092.892387190@time.cdrom.com> In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 11 Apr 1998 01:39:46 CDT." <199804110639.BAA16560@darkstar.connect.com>
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> Further, I in no way intended my remarks to be taken as someone else, > the core team or others, should do the work. I understand that the work > has to be done by volunteers, like myself. Sadly you sniped my closing > sentence where I offered my time in some capacity that would benefit > the cause. Nor was I necessarily expecting direction from your group. Again, it was not my intention to slam you or your willingness to help out so much as it was to make a general point - your message was just the straw which got me to write it. :) > You mention RAH RAH!! and warfare, both are subjects that I know a few > things about. You don't necessarily need to match the enemy man for > man. I once was part of a regiment that faced three full divisions and > we emerged victorious!! I can also speak to the part that RAH RAH > plays on winning football teams. The idea being that RAH RAH puts the > fire in the gut and leads people on to victory what ever the endeavor. Heh. I also didn't mean to imply that a few very strategically employed individuals couldn't make a substantive difference in the face of massive opposition - hell, the fact that we're going to have to do exactly that is something of a given since we're already heavily outnumbered and far behind enemy lines. :-) I was simply trying to make it very clear that unless the FreeBSD "citizenry" get actively involved, we're going to fail in competition with any OS group who's users *are* involved. The difference between fighting an enemy who's motivated vs one who's dispirited and fighting only under duress is also something that you, as a military man, should be well familiar with. :) > Perhaps a core team of volunteers modeled on the way the core > development team operates will be just as effective in getting our job > done as you are doing yours. Just as you are the leader of the core > team our leader will arise from ongoing dialog and compilation of ideas > that eventually jell into the business plan that I suggested, and our I've no problem with that idea at all. Moreover, I think that the FreeBSD project has always strongly endorsed the concept of a "management hierarchy", possibly more out of enlightened laziness than anything else, since any reasonably effective hierarchy enables one to not have to worry about a large number of things. I'd like to not have to worry so much about grass-roots publicity and such, yes. :-) However, getting people genuinely willing to "manage" is harder than it looks. Being willing to lead implies a long-term committment and that scares a lot of people off. > BTW, a mutual aquaintance mentioned that there is a remarkable > resemblance between yourself and the BSD Daemon ;-) Now is your humor > tonight? Hmmmm. My picture is in various places around the net, so I'll let you simply judge that for yourself. Needless to say, I don't think I've eaten quite *that* much pie this year. :-) Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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