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Date:      Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:48:26 +0000 (GMT)
From:      Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com>
To:        wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (Bill Paul)
Cc:        tlambert@primenet.com, opsys@mail.webspan.net, jkh@time.cdrom.com, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: option MROUTING
Message-ID:  <199806242048.NAA14440@usr04.primenet.com>
In-Reply-To: <199806241249.IAA07653@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> from "Bill Paul" at Jun 24, 98 08:49:55 am

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> Then maybe he can explain why Columbia's MBONE service from Sprint
> sucks so much. Traffic from Columbia goes from our primary gateway to
> mbone.appliedtheory.com, and then to pen-mbone-1.sprintlink.net,
> which, I've been told, is a Sun SPARC machine of some kind running
> Solaris. It has a large bunch of tunnels hung off it, and it leaks
> packets like a sieve. When connectivity isn't screwed up like it is
> now (more on this in a second), it loses anywhere from 40% to 60% of
> all the traffic passing through it. The shuttle mission astronauts
> can hear NASA better than we can when a mission is being multicast.

Have you made the appropriate QOS requests at the link layer for
what is, in fact an ATM transport which is intentionally using
the standard ATM "leaky bucket" packet forwarding algorithms?

If not, it's now wonder that your bucket is leaking.

However, I would be much more likely to blame the fact that the
Gigaswitches at NASA Ames are insufficiently interconnected because
some manager decided that there was no need to buy two more instead
of one more when they needed more capacity than one could handle
(can you say "flunked college algebra because of a failure to
understand combinatorics?  I knew you could...").

Try going someplace that doesn't depend on NASA, and posting a
comparative analysis for us.

PS: Why don't you contact Vadim and ask him; you are probably right
that he can explain your problem to you...

PPS: I don't like Sprint.  They are cheap (not inexpensive) and they
failed to upgrade their routers to get around the route drop problem
when the rest of the world did; it took them a long time to come up
to par.  That said, I have great respect for Vadim's work, expescially
that in BSDi and teh stuff that made it into FreeBSD through CSRG.


					Terry Lambert
					terry@lambert.org
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