Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 23:54:51 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven <asmodai@ninth-circle.org> To: Dennis <dennis@etinc.com> Cc: dyson@iquest.net, Dag-Erling Smorgrav <des@flood.ping.uio.no>, Arun Sharma <adsharma@home.com>, Christoph Kukulies <kuku@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE>, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: linux and freebsd kernels conceptually different? Message-ID: <19990610235451.A7680@ninth-circle.org> In-Reply-To: <199906101716.NAA00235@etinc.com>; from Dennis on Thu, Jun 10, 1999 at 12:11:46PM -0400 References: <xzplnds8jkm.fsf@flood.ping.uio.no> <199906101443.JAA00652@dyson.iquest.net.> <199906101716.NAA00235@etinc.com>
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* Dennis (dennis@etinc.com) [990610 19:58]:
> At 09:43 AM 6/10/99 -0500, John S. Dyson wrote:
> >Dag-Erling Smorgrav said:
> >> Arun Sharma <adsharma@home.com> writes:
> >> > I'd say most of the differences are in implementation and development
> >> > methodology. Linux camp seems to be proud of breaking traditions and
> >> > concepts invented after lengthy research. I haven't seen that many
> >> > iconoclasts in my short encounter with FreeBSD.
> >>
> >> You say that as if it's a good thing... I'd amend it to "The Linux
> >> camp seems to think it's a good idea to ignore countless man-years of
> >> research and development in the field of OS design, and make the same
> >> mistakes other people have made, corrected and documented years before
> >> them. I haven't seen that many ignorants in my short encounter with
> >> FreeBSD."
>
> They finally caved in on spl type mechanisms, though the mechanisms
> provided in v2.2 are very crude. Worst of all, most of the OS is
> undocumented and if you dont ask Alan Cox (or he doesnt feel like giving
> you an answer) then you are pretty much in the dark.
Seems like a common problem with Linux overall.
GTk+ tends to introduce bugs fixed in earlier versions, it's stabilizing
somewhat with 1.2.x. Gnome is even worse, it creates bugs from bugfixes
or so it seems.
Insidious idea that featurebloat is preferred over code stability and
maturity...
Add to that the general chaotic way of Linuxcoding and not documenting and
we have one development OS that sucks for developers. And yet so many of
them flock to it *sigh*
Hope I can change *BSD for the better in that aspect with the PDP.
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