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Date:      Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:14:11 -0700 (PDT)
From:      Matthew Jacob <mjacob@feral.com>
To:        "Justin T. Gibbs" <gibbs@plutotech.com>
Cc:        "Kenneth D. Merry" <ken@plutotech.com>, scsi@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: delay in debugging problems with Qlogic cards caused by... 
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.05.9907270811100.31194-100000@semuta.feral.com>
In-Reply-To: <199907271508.JAA22101@caspian.plutotech.com>

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> >It strikes me that an upper bound of busy time would be a good thing to
> >have- it took me several days of hangs in the middle of the night until I
> >finally caught this. You can say that this is "flaky" h/w (and you'd be
> >right), but seems like a good case for defensive programming. Whew. I'm
> >sore fatigued...
> 
> What is a good upper bound on the length of time a device should be allowed
> to report busy?
> 
> I hate these kinds of questions because you never seem to be able to
> satisfy everyone.  Perhaps 5 minutes is good.

5 minutes is probably too short, but I most emphatically agree that it's
not an easy question to answer- it's the same level as "How long should
a command take" for devices like tapes.

It probably should be a per-device property and quirked to override it-
mostly so that the da driver can finally do a BDR or *something* to try
and get the thing back alive- or at least complain about it...


> One thing I don't understand yet is why this hung up the whole machine.
> It should have only stuffed up that one device, not all devices in the
> system.  Have you looked at the code path to see where this other bug
> may be?

I'm sorry- I was a little inaccurate here- the machine would ping, but
because it had the root/swap on it, nothing else could happen.

-matt
> 



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