Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:31:08 +1000 (EST) From: Andrew Perry <andrew@python.shoal.net.au> To: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> Cc: Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org>, "Daniel O'Connor" <doconnor@gsoft.com.au>, FreeBSD-chat <freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: Good News! FreeBSD monopoly! (Was: Good News! Commercial Bac Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.990913192333.15475P-100000@python.shoal.net.au> In-Reply-To: <19990913180021.B10106@freebie.lemis.com>
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crikey, chat has been been busy lately :-) 1/ put me down for a "brett shut up: vote" (however i would never support banning him and I know you (members of the list) don't either. This is a message to brett.) 2/ brett, i saw a few posts back that you would like to see a policy of the usage of the FreeBSD (only place i'm gonna bother with the caps) logo/trademark. Well, i really like the stuff you write (except for on chat) so let's see a policy. write one and put it up. don't badger jordan and others, WRITE something. you obviously have the time to do so, let's see it happen. don't give me an excuse, do it. 3/ i'm afraid i must agree with some of the other posters in that you seem to say things in a way that antogonises people and pisses of those who spend a lot of unpaid time furthering the cause. i see this under two heading, 1: preaching to the converted and 2: browbeating those who are already working under maximum load. 4/ (quoted from previous message, sorry if it's out of context) brett>>No, it hasn't. Only a few vociferous people have accepted your brett>>invitation to condemn me publicly, out of the hundreds who are brett>>"tuned in." a group of local politicians looking for ways to justify themselves called the non-attenders at a recent meeting the "silent majority" and then claimed to speak for them. there are hundreds of people tuned in, i am one of those (i don't speak for them). i usually choose not to respond as i lack the communication skills to fence with you, especially when you (as i see it) change tangents when challenged. (actually just especially as i lack the skills) i also seek not to add fuel to the fire. i wonder how much damage your ranting does to the likes of jordan and other committers who are working as hard as they can and then are criticised by those whom they see as adding nothing. (i apologise to the other committers whose work i use daily and can't even remember their names) don't count the "silent majority" either for you or against you, they are _silent_. if they were passionately for you they'd speak, likewise if they were passionately agains you. 5/ vociferous: clamerous, loud and insistent in speech i'm sorry brett but you fit the mold as much as any of the respondents. 6/ you are stating your points with as little emotion as possible but in a way that evokes the most emotion possible (actually an idea (totally off the wall) has just come to me. could it be that you are actually not a real person but instead a ghost writer seeking to make the core and committer team look to be under fire and acting responsibly and under duress?) it cannot possible be that you do not realise the impact of your statements. the first lessons in email ettiquette demand one not respond instantly and emotionally (even if dispassionately) as it is too easy to carelessly offend 7/ may we _please_ have the url's for some of your articles. Andrew Perry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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