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Date:      Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:37:16 -0600 (CST)
From:      Jay Nelson <noslenj@swbell.net>
To:        Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com>
Cc:        chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Log file systems? (Was: Re: dual 400 -> dual 600 worth it?)
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.05.9912132046590.782-100000@acp.swbell.net>
In-Reply-To: <199912140104.SAA28673@usr08.primenet.com>

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On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Terry Lambert wrote:

[snip]

>They are FAQs, not "in the FAQ".

I suspect they probably should be in the FAQ. The average admin who
doesn't follow mailing lists asks questions like this. The more we
claim (justifiably) stability, the more seriously they evaluate
FreeBSD against commercial alternatives. This is an area where few of
us really understand the issues involved.

>The archives you should be looking at, and the place you should be
>asking the question are the freebsd-fs list.

I did look in the fs archives -- although I'm not sure the general
question belongs there since it seems to have more to do with the
differences between FreeBSD and the commercal offerings.

Is it fair to summarize the differences as:

Soft updates provide little in terms of recovering data, but enhances
performance during runtime. Recovery being limited to ignoring
metadata that wasn't written to disk.

Log file systems offers little data recovery in return for faster
system recovery after an unorderly halt at the cost of a runtime
penalty.

Journaled filesystem offer the potential of data recovery at a boot
time and runtime cost.

I know this is disgustingly over simplified, but about all you can get
through to typical management.

I also have to admit, I'm a little confused with your usage of the
word orthogonal. Do you mean that an orthogonal technology projects
cleanly or uniformly into different dimensions of system space?

-- Jay



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