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Date:      Sat, 18 Apr 2020 08:57:19 +0200
From:      Niclas Zeising <zeising+freebsd@daemonic.se>
To:        Pete Wright <pete@nomadlogic.org>, Alexey Dokuchaev <danfe@freebsd.org>, Jan Beich <jbeich@freebsd.org>
Cc:        Tomasz CEDRO <tomek@cedro.info>, freebsd-x11@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: drm-i915kms + x11-intel eats out all of the ram and swap but not with x11-scfb
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On 2020-04-18 05:58, Pete Wright wrote:
>=20
>=20
> On 4/17/20 7:49 PM, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote:
>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 07:01:49PM +0200, Jan Beich wrote:
>>> ...
>>> Unlikely. modesetting reached "good enough" level while X11 is
>>> deprecated in favor of Wayland.
>> X11 is certainly not going anywhere as it mostly works just fine and n=
o
>> replacement is needed.=C2=A0 You guys can play with Wayland or whateve=
r the
>> next cool kid on the block is called as long as you wish but please le=
t
>> it be your pain, not ours.
>>
>> Deprecating X11, huh.=C2=A0 That's preposterous!
> You should let the Xorg development team know your opinions on this=20
> topic.=C2=A0 the freebsd graphics team is trying to make sure that when=
=20
> upstream does make the cut over to wayland we are not left totally out.
>=20
> i would also say that *now* (well probably several years ago) is the=20
> time for us as a community to get engaged with wayland development.=20
> there are already lots of linux and systemd assumptions being made by=20
> their development efforts, so this is our opportunity to make sure our=20
> voices are heard before it's too late.

The Freedesktop.org upstream (the ones responsible for xorg and wayland)=20
are aware of us, and quite helpful in getting FreeBSD specific code in,=20
so I'm not too worried there (as long as we bring the code, at least).=20
I'm more worried about the people making various wayland compositors and=20
wayland desktop environments though.

>=20
> personally my biggest worry is that wayland going to end up being even=20
> more tightly coupled with logind/systemd and we'll be left with the=20
> choice of no modern graphics stack or having to adopt systemd in some=20
> way.=C2=A0 i'd hazard a guess that this is a situation that none of us =
would=20
> be too happy with.
>=20

With regards to logind/systemd, what we need to provide is most likely a=20
session manager of some sort, or at least an interface to FreeBSD=20
session handling, where it is possible to plug in such a thing.

Regards
--=20
Niclas



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