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Date:      Sat, 1 Sep 2001 13:51:07 -0700 (PDT)
From:      Richard Hodges <rh@matriplex.com>
To:        "Matthew D. Fuller" <fullermd@futuresouth.com>
Cc:        Paul Richards <paul@freebsd-services.com>, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Should URL's be pervasive.
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.10.10109011341490.86886-100000@mail.matriplex.com>
In-Reply-To: <20010901024247.P8939@futuresouth.com>

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On Sat, 1 Sep 2001, Matthew D. Fuller wrote:

> > For traceroute, I want to send a series of TCP SYN packets to
> > www.ufp.org, port 80 with increasing TTL values.  Perhaps this
> 
> No, it doesn't.
> http://www.ufp.org/ does NOT mean TCP port 80.
> www.ufp.org:80 means port 80, I don't know of any simple common way to
> say TCP.
> 
> http://www.ufp.org/ means the host 'www.ufp.org' using the protocol
> 'http' with the TCP port 80 implicity as a result of the 'http'.
> Traceroute is not going to use HTTP.  Ping is not going to use HTTP.
> Rpcinfo is not going to use HTTP.  A mail client is not going to use
> HTTP (this one is perhaps debatable, but I'm sure as hell not going
> there).

Agreed.  I thought that it would be funny to carry this to an
absurd conclusion, but I guess some people would rather just
take the opportunity to assume ignorance in others.

> If you want to take a URI passed to 'ping', say, and parse out a
> hostname, that's one thing which I'm sure we could have endless
> disagreement about.  But doing that is *NOT* parsing it as a URI.

Well, since humor doesn't work, I will be blunt.  I think that
the utilities and agents work just fine, thank-you-very-much.
I think that adding URI handling to ping, traceroute, ftp, mail,
etc. is a waste of time.  To me, "mailto:" suggests a TCP connection
to port 25, and it is (at best) nuissance information when I want
to do a ping or traceroute.  The same with "http:".

-Richard

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