Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:48:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob <mjacob@feral.com> To: Alfred Perlstein <bright@mu.org> Cc: scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISP driver issues in 4.6-RELEASE? Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0206211442030.44762-100000@beppo> In-Reply-To: <20020621213908.GA37053@elvis.mu.org>
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On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Alfred Perlstein wrote:
> * Matthew Jacob <mjacob@feral.com> [020621 14:26] wrote:
> >
> > Are you loading firmware, i.e., have
> >
> > device ispfw
> >
> > or
> >
> > ispfw_LOAD=YES
>
> This is on the 4.6 boot floppy... looking at 4.6's generic it
> doesn't look like it has that in it, so probably not.
Yes. This is a perenniel problem. The firmware is very large. But in order to
make things work reasonably, you really need to often load recent f/w.
I've suggested a 3rd floppy before so you could have things like ispfw.ko on
it, but basically didn't know enough to be able
>
> >
> > ?
> >
> > I could use a bit more information than what you have also. I'd be surprised
> > that even under -v that's all the information there is. How about the whole
> > dmesg?
>
> oy, I'll try to get the ispfw module onto the boot floppy and get
> you the full dmesg. And yes, that seems to be all I see under '-v'
> but I'll double check.
Huh. That's damned odd. See below for more what you *ought* to see. It's a
2200, but the same things should be seen.
It *might* be hung up on running an ABOUT FIRMWARE command.
Oh- here's another thing. Do you have the BIOS disabled for the QLogic
card? If so, turn it *on* (via the Alt-Q menu). That might do the trick.
>
> > Are you booting w/o any devices connected at all?
>
> Without devices attached the isp card probes and we continue to
> boot. It just can not finish the probe if the external raid is
> hooked up.
>
If you're already installed, shouldn't you be able to just load ispfw.ko from
/modules (which *should* be there)?
-matt
SMAP type=01 base=00000000 00000000 len=00000000 0009fc00
SMAP type=01 base=00000000 00100000 len=00000000 07f00000
SMAP type=02 base=00000000 ffe80000 len=00000000 00180000
SMAP type=02 base=00000000 fec00000 len=00000000 00009000
Copyright (c) 1992-2002 The FreeBSD Project.
Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
FreeBSD 4.6-RC #3: Mon Jun 17 12:13:05 PDT 2002
mjacob@lorq.feral.com:/tstsys/compile/MJSTABLE
Calibrating clock(s) ... TSC clock: 179997761 Hz, i8254 clock: 1193167 Hz
CLK_USE_I8254_CALIBRATION not specified - using default frequency
Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz
CLK_USE_TSC_CALIBRATION not specified - using old calibration method
CPU: Pentium Pro (180.00-MHz 686-class CPU)
Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x619 Stepping = 9
Features=0xfbff<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV>
real memory = 134217728 (131072K bytes)
Physical memory chunk(s):
0x00001000 - 0x0009efff, 647168 bytes (158 pages)
0x00562000 - 0x07ff7fff, 128540672 bytes (31382 pages)
avail memory = 125280256 (122344K bytes)
Programming 24 pins in IOAPIC #0
SMP: CPU0 apic_initialize():
lint0: 0x00000700 lint1: 0x00010400 TPR: 0x00000010 SVR: 0x000001ff
FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor motherboard
cpu0 (BSP): apic id: 0, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfec08000
cpu1 (AP): apic id: 12, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfec08000
io0 (APIC): apic id: 13, version: 0x00170011, at 0xfec00000
bios32: Found BIOS32 Service Directory header at 0xc00fd9e0
bios32: Entry = 0xfd9f0 (c00fd9f0) Rev = 0 Len = 1
pcibios: PCI BIOS entry at 0xda11
pnpbios: Found PnP BIOS data at 0xc00fa000
pnpbios: Entry = f0000:a100 Rev = 1.0
Other BIOS signatures found:
ACPI: 00000000
Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc0538000.
Preloaded elf module "ispfw.ko" at 0xc053809c.
Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled
md0: Malloc disk
Creating DISK md0
SMP: CPU0 bsp_apic_configure():
lint0: 0x00010700 lint1: 0x00000400 TPR: 0x00000010 SVR: 0x000001ff
pci_open(1): mode 1 addr port (0x0cf8) is 0x80000058
pci_open(1a): mode1res=0x80000000 (0x80000000)
pci_cfgcheck: device 0 [class=060000] [hdr=00] is there (id=12378086)
npx0: <math processor> on motherboard
npx0: INT 16 interface
pcib0: <Host to PCI bridge> on motherboard
found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x1237, revid=0x02
class=06-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0
subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0
IOAPIC #0 intpin 18 -> irq 2
Freeing (NOT implemented) redirected PCI irq 11.
found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x1229, revid=0x02
class=02-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0
subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0
intpin=a, irq=2
map[10]: type 1, range 32, base ffbeb000, size 12
map[14]: type 1, range 32, base 0000df40, size 5
map[18]: type 1, range 32, base ff100000, size 20
found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x7000, revid=0x01
class=06-01-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1
subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0
found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x7010, revid=0x00
class=01-01-80, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0
subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0
map[20]: type 1, range 32, base 0000ffa0, size 4
IOAPIC #0 intpin 17 -> irq 10
found-> vendor=0x9004, dev=0x8078, revid=0x00
class=01-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0
subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0
intpin=a, irq=10
map[10]: type 1, range 32, base 0000f800, size 8
map[14]: type 1, range 32, base ffbee000, size 12
IOAPIC #0 intpin 16 -> irq 11
found-> vendor=0x1077, dev=0x2200, revid=0x05
class=01-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0
subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0
intpin=a, irq=11
map[10]: type 1, range 32, base 0000fc00, size 8
map[14]: type 1, range 32, base ffbef000, size 12
pci0: <PCI bus> on pcib0
fxp0: <Intel Pro 10/100B/100+ Ethernet> port 0xdf40-0xdf5f mem 0xff100000-0xff1fffff,0xffbeb000-0xffbebfff irq 2 at device 6.0 on pci0
fxp0: using memory space register mapping
fxp0: Ethernet address 00:a0:c9:60:34:f5
fxp0: PCI IDs: 8086 1229 0000 0000 0002
fxp0: Dynamic Standby mode is disabled
nsphy0: <DP83840 10/100 media interface> on miibus0
nsphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto
bpf: fxp0 attached
isab0: <Intel 82371SB PCI to ISA bridge> at device 7.0 on pci0
I/O Recovery Timing: 8-bit 1 clocks, 16-bit 1 clocks
Extended BIOS: enabled
Lower BIOS: enabled
Coprocessor IRQ13: enabled
Mouse IRQ12: disabled
Interrupt Routing: A: IRQ11, B: IRQ10, C: IRQ11, D: disabled
MB0: , MB1:
isa0: <ISA bus> on isab0
atapci0: <Intel PIIX3 ATA controller> port 0xffa0-0xffaf at device 7.1 on pci0
ata0: iobase=0x01f0 altiobase=0x03f6 bmaddr=0xffa0
ata0: mask=03 ostat0=50 ostat2=00
ata0-master: ATAPI 00 00
ata0-slave: ATAPI 00 00
ata0: mask=03 stat0=50 stat1=00
ata0-master: ATA 01 a5
ata0: devices=01
ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0
ata1: iobase=0x0170 altiobase=0x0376 bmaddr=0xffa8
ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0
ahc0: <Adaptec aic7880 Ultra SCSI adapter> port 0xf800-0xf8ff mem 0xffbee000-0xffbeefff irq 10 at device 9.0 on pci0
ahc0: Reading SEEPROM...done.
ahc0: Low byte termination Enabled
ahc0: High byte termination Enabled
ahc0: Downloading Sequencer Program... 439 instructions downloaded
aic7880: Ultra Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/253 SCBs
Qlogic ISP Driver, FreeBSD Version 4.16, Core Version 2.7
isp0: <Qlogic ISP 2200 PCI FC-AL Adapter> port 0xfc00-0xfcff mem 0xffbef000-0xffbeffff irq 11 at device 11.0 on pci0
isp0: using I/O space register mapping
isp0: LIP Received
isp0: Loop UP
isp0: Board Type 2200, Chip Revision 0x5, loaded F/W Revision 2.1.36
isp0: Last F/W revision was 2.0.7
isp0: 985 max I/O commands supported
isp0: NVRAM Port WWN 0x210000e08b0012c5
ex_isa_identify()
ata-: ata0 exists, using next available unit number
ata-: ata1 exists, using next available unit number
Trying Read_Port at 203
Trying Read_Port at 243
Trying Read_Port at 283
Trying Read_Port at 2c3
Trying Read_Port at 303
Trying Read_Port at 343
Trying Read_Port at 383
Trying Read_Port at 3c3
isa_probe_children: disabling PnP devices
isa_probe_children: probing non-PnP devices
orm0: <Option ROMs> at iomem 0xc0000-0xc7fff,0xc8000-0xc87ff,0xe9000-0xe9fff,0xea000-0xebfff on isa0
fdc0: <NEC 72065B or clone> at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0
fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold
fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0
ata2 failed to probe at port 0x1f0 irq 14 on isa0
ata3 failed to probe at port 0x170 irq 15 on isa0
adv0 failed to probe on isa0
bt0: Failed Status Reg Test - ff
bt_isa_probe: Probe failed at 0x330
bt0: Failed Status Reg Test - ff
bt_isa_probe: Probe failed at 0x334
bt0: Failed Status Reg Test - ff
bt_isa_probe: Probe failed at 0x230
bt0: Failed Status Reg Test - ff
bt_isa_probe: Probe failed at 0x234
bt0: Failed Status Reg Test - ff
bt_isa_probe: Probe failed at 0x130
bt0: Failed Status Reg Test - ff
bt_isa_probe: Probe failed at 0x134
bt0 failed to probe at port 0x134-0x137 on isa0
aha0: status reg test failed ff
aha0: status reg test failed ff
aha0: status reg test failed ff
aha0: status reg test failed ff
aha0: status reg test failed ff
aha0: status reg test failed ff
aha0 failed to probe at port 0x134-0x137 on isa0
aic0 failed to probe at port 0x140-0x15f on isa0
atkbdc0: <Keyboard controller (i8042)> at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0
atkbd0: <AT Keyboard> flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0
atkbd: the current kbd controller command byte 0065
atkbd: keyboard ID 0x41ab (2)
kbdc: RESET_KBD return code:00fa
kbdc: RESET_KBD status:00aa
kbd0 at atkbd0
kbd0: atkbd0, AT 101/102 (2), config:0x1, flags:0x1d0000
psm0: current command byte:0065
kbdc: TEST_AUX_PORT status:0000
kbdc: RESET_AUX return code:00fe
kbdc: RESET_AUX return code:00fe
kbdc: RESET_AUX return code:00fe
kbdc: DIAGNOSE status:0055
kbdc: TEST_KBD_PORT status:0000
psm0: failed to reset the aux device.
vga0: <Generic ISA VGA> at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0
fb0: vga0, vga, type:VGA (5), flags:0x7007f
fb0: port:0x3c0-0x3df, crtc:0x3d4, mem:0xa0000 0x20000
fb0: init mode:24, bios mode:3, current mode:24
fb0: window:0xc00b8000 size:32k gran:32k, buf:0 size:32k
VGA parameters upon power-up
50 18 10 00 00 00 03 00 02 67 5f 4f 50 82 55 81
bf 1f 00 4f 0d 0e 00 00 05 50 9c 8e 8f 28 1f 96
b9 a3 ff 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 38 39 3a 3b 3c
3d 3e 3f 0c 00 0f 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 0e 00 ff
VGA parameters in BIOS for mode 24
50 18 10 00 10 00 03 00 02 67 5f 4f 50 82 55 81
bf 1f 00 4f 0d 0e 00 00 00 00 9c 8e 8f 28 1f 96
b9 a3 ff 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 38 39 3a 3b 3c
3d 3e 3f 0c 00 0f 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 0e 00 ff
EGA/VGA parameters to be used for mode 24
50 18 10 00 10 00 03 00 02 67 5f 4f 50 82 55 81
bf 1f 00 4f 0d 0e 00 00 00 00 9c 8e 8f 28 1f 96
b9 a3 ff 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 38 39 3a 3b 3c
3d 3e 3f 0c 00 0f 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 0e 00 ff
sc0: <System console> at flags 0x100 on isa0
sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x100>
sc0: fb0, kbd0, terminal emulator: sc (syscons terminal)
pcic0 failed to probe at port 0x3e0 iomem 0xd0000 on isa0
pcic1: not probed (disabled)
sio0: irq maps: 0x843 0x853 0x843 0x843
sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0
sio0: type 16550A, console
sio1: irq maps: 0x843 0x84b 0x843 0x843
sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0
sio1: type 16550A
sio2: not probed (disabled)
sio3: not probed (disabled)
ppc0: parallel port found at 0x378
ppc0: using extended I/O port range
ppc0: EPP SPP
ppc0: <Parallel port> at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0
ppc0: Generic chipset (EPP/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode
plip0: <PLIP network interface> on ppbus0
bpf: lp0 attached
lpt0: <Printer> on ppbus0
lpt0: Interrupt-driven port
ppi0: <Parallel I/O> on ppbus0
ed0 failed to probe at port 0x280-0x29f iomem 0xd8000 irq 10 on isa0
fe0 failed to probe at port 0x300-0x31f on isa0
ie0 failed to probe at port 0x300 iomem 0xd0000 irq 10 on isa0
lnc0 failed to probe at port 0x280 irq 10 drq 0 on isa0
cs0 failed to probe at port 0x300-0x31f on isa0
sn0 failed to probe at port 0x300-0x30f irq 10 on isa0
isa_probe_children: probing PnP devices
isp0: Point-to-Point mode
isp0: Loop UP
isp0: Port Database Changed
isp0: Port Database Changed
SMP: enabled INTs: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 10, 11, 14, 15, apic_imen: 0x00ff3321
BIOS Geometries:
0:020cfe3f 0..524=525 cylinders, 0..254=255 heads, 1..63=63 sectors
0 accounted for
Device configuration finished.
APIC_IO: routing 8254 via 8259 and IOAPIC #0 intpin 0
bpf: lo0 attached
bpf: ppp0 attached
new masks: bio 6800c040, tty 6300009a, net 6700009e
bpf: sl0 attached
bpf: faith0 attached
SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched!
SMP: CPU1 apic_initialize():
lint0: 0x00010700 lint1: 0x00010400 TPR: 0x00000010 SVR: 0x000001ff
isp0: Firmware State <Config Wait->Ready>
ad0: success setting WDMA2 on Intel chip
Creating DISK ad0
isp0: Target 126 (Loop 0x7e) Port ID 0xfffffe (role (none)) Arrived
Port WWN 0x20070060692014f3
Node WWN 0x10000060692014f3
ar: FreeBSD check1 failed
ad0: <ST34311A/8.01> ATA-4 disk at ata0-master
ad0: 4126MB (8452080 sectors), 8944 C, 15 H, 63 S, 512 B
ad0: 16 secs/int, 1 depth queue, WDMA2
ad0: piomode=4 dmamode=2 udmamode=2 cblid=1
(noperiph:ahc0:0:-1:-1): SCSI bus reset delivered. 0 SCBs aborted.
isp0: Loop ID 255, AL_PA 0x0, Port ID 0x11700, Loop State 0x2, Topology 'F Port'
isp0: Target 255 (Loop 0xff) Port ID 0x11700 (role Initiator) Arrived
Port WWN 0x210000e08b0012c5
Node WWN 0x200000e08b0012c5
isp0: Fabric Device @ PortID 0x11000
isp0: Fabric Device @ PortID 0x11575
isp0: Fabric Device @ PortID 0x11598
isp0: Fabric Device @ PortID 0x1159e
isp0: Fabric Device @ PortID 0x115b2
isp0: Fabric Device @ PortID 0x11600
isp0: Fabric Device @ PortID 0x11700
isp0: Target 0 (Loop 0x1) Port ID 0x11000 (role Target/Initiator) Arrived
Port WWN 0x5080082001000024
Node WWN 0x5080082001000000
isp0: Target 1 (Loop 0x2) Port ID 0x11575 (role Target) Arrived
Port WWN 0x5080020000000904
Node WWN 0x5080020000000900
isp0: Target 2 (Loop 0x3) Port ID 0x11598 (role Target) Arrived
Port WWN 0x2200002037261fdb
Node WWN 0x2000002037261fdb
isp0: Target 3 (Loop 0x4) Port ID 0x1159e (role Target) Arrived
Port WWN 0x5080020000000903
Node WWN 0x5080020000000900
isp0: Target 4 (Loop 0x5) Port ID 0x115b2 (role Target) Arrived
Port WWN 0x2200002037261bfb
Node WWN 0x2000002037261bfb
isp0: Target 5 (Loop 0x6) Port ID 0x11600 (role Initiator) Arrived
Port WWN 0x200100a0800022b9
Node WWN 0x200000a0800022b9
isp0: bad underrun for 3.0 (count 255, resid 127, status not marked)
isp0: Port Database Changed
isp0: Firmware State <Config Wait->Ready>
isp0: Target 126 (Loop 0x7e) Port ID 0xfffffe (role (none)) Arrived
Port WWN 0x20070060692014f3
Node WWN 0x10000060692014f3
isp0: Loop ID 255, AL_PA 0x0, Port ID 0x11700, Loop State 0x2, Topology 'F Port'
isp0: Target 255 (Loop 0xff) Port ID 0x11700 (role Initiator) Arrived
Port WWN 0x210000e08b0012c5
Node WWN 0x200000e08b0012c5
isp0: Fabric Device @ PortID 0x11000
isp0: Fabric Device @ PortID 0x11575
isp0: Fabric Device @ PortID 0x11598
isp0: Fabric Device @ PortID 0x1159e
isp0: Fabric Device @ PortID 0x115b2
isp0: Fabric Device @ PortID 0x11600
isp0: Fabric Device @ PortID 0x11700
isp0: Retained login of Target 0 (Loop ID 0x1) Port 0x11000
isp0: Retained login of Target 1 (Loop ID 0x2) Port 0x11575
isp0: Retained login of Target 2 (Loop ID 0x3) Port 0x11598
isp0: Retained login of Target 3 (Loop ID 0x4) Port 0x1159e
isp0: Retained login of Target 4 (Loop ID 0x5) Port 0x115b2
isp0: Retained login of Target 5 (Loop ID 0x6) Port 0x11600
isp0: bad underrun for 1.0 (count 255, resid 127, status not marked)
isp0: bad underrun for 1.0 (count 255, resid 127, status not marked)
isp0: bad underrun for 1.0 (count 255, resid 127, status not marked)
isp0: bad underrun for 1.0 (count 255, resid 127, status not marked)
isp0: bad underrun for 1.0 (count 255, resid 127, status not marked)
Creating DISK da0
Creating DISK da1
Creating DISK da2
Creating DISK da3
pass0 at isp0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0
pass0: <VERITAS d3 active 2.00> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device
pass0: Serial Number
pass0: 100.000MB/s transfers, Tagged Queueing Enabled
pass1 at isp0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0
pass1: <SUN SENA 1.07> Fixed Enclosure Services SCSI-3 device
pass1: 100.000MB/s transfers
pass2 at isp0 bus 0 target 2 lun 0
pass2: <SEAGATE ST39102FCSUN9.0G 0728> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device
pass2: Serial Number LJR3713500002946R0KJ
pass2: 100.000MB/s transfers, Tagged Queueing Enabled
pass3 at isp0 bus 0 target 3 lun 0
pass3: < > Fixed Direct Access SCSI-0 device
pass3: Serial Number {
pass3: 100.000MB/s transfers
pass4 at isp0 bus 0 target 3 lun 1
pass4: <SUN SENA 1.07> Fixed Enclosure Services SCSI-3 device
pass4: 100.000MB/s transfers
pass5 at isp0 bus 0 target 4 lun 0
pass5: <SEAGATE ST39102FCSUN9.0G 0728> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device
pass5: Serial Number LJR3133400002946H8EP
pass5: 100.000MB/s transfers, Tagged Queueing Enabled
ses0 at isp0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0
ses0: <SUN SENA 1.07> Fixed Enclosure Services SCSI-3 device
ses0: 100.000MB/s transfers
ses0: SCSI-3 SES Device
ses1 at isp0 bus 0 target 3 lun 1
ses1: <SUN SENA 1.07> Fixed Enclosure Services SCSI-3 device
ses1: 100.000MB/s transfers
ses1: SCSI-3 SES Device
da0 at isp0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0
da0: <VERITAS d3 active 2.00> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device
da0: Serial Number
da0: 100.000MB/s transfers, Tagged Queueing Enabled
da0: 2042MB (4183920 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 260C)
da1 at isp0 bus 0 target 2 lun 0
da1: <SEAGATE ST39102FCSUN9.0G 0728> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device
da1: Serial Number LJR3713500002946R0KJ
da1: 100.000MB/s transfers, Tagged Queueing Enabled
da1: 8637MB (17689267 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1101C)
(da2:isp0:0:3:0): READ CAPACITY. CDB: 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
(da2:isp0:0:3:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:20,0
(da2:isp0:0:3:0): Invalid command operation code
da2 at isp0 bus 0 target 3 lun 0
da2: < > Fixed Direct Access SCSI-0 device
da2: Serial Number {
da2: 100.000MB/s transfers
da2: Attempt to query device size failed: ILLEGAL REQUEST, Invalid command operation
da3 at isp0 bus 0 target 4 lun 0
da3: <SEAGATE ST39102FCSUN9.0G 0728> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device
da3: Serial Number LJR3133400002946H8EP
da3: 100.000MB/s transfers, Tagged Queueing Enabled
da3: 8637MB (17689267 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1101C)
Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a
ad0s1: type 0xa5, start 63, end = 8452079, size 8452017 : OK
start_init: trying /sbin/init
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