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Date:      Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:49:11 -0700 (PDT)
From:      Doug Barton <DougB@FreeBSD.org>
To:        "Andrew P. Lentvorski" <bsder@mail.allcaps.org>
Cc:        Helge Oldach <helge.oldach@atosorigin.com>, Jay Sachs <jay@eziba.com>, <stanb@awod.com>, <freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org>, <des@FreeBSD.org>
Subject:   Re: ssh to remote machines problem after cvsup
Message-ID:  <20020709134511.I24728-100000@zoot.corp.yahoo.com>
In-Reply-To: <20020709113139.N68413-100000@mail.allcaps.org>

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On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Andrew P. Lentvorski wrote:

> > >> 	Can we get this changed back for -stable? In addition to the POLA
> > >> thread in -security, this is just one of many user complaints on this
> > >> topic.
>
> Please don't change this back.  Please file bug reports against OpenSSH to
> get the behavior to fall back to the other protocol


The fact that it falls back does not mean that users can get into the box
without intervention. Besides, you're missing the whole point here. Users
should not have to deal with this AT ALL in -stable. YOU can have exactly
what you want with a simple run-time config option.

I am totally disinterested in what happens to the very small percentage of
our users who follow -stable and RELENG_4 religiously. I'm very interested
in what will happen when 4.6.1 is released, and throngs of people upgrade
to it thinking it will "fix" their ssh problems, when in reality it's
creating a whole bunch of new ones.

Not to mention, it isn't going to be you people who think that the change
is "better," who are going to be answering all the support mail on this.
At least, it hasn't been so far.

What this boils down to is that it really doesn't matter what you think
the world OUGHT to be. The world as it is says that changing this option
late in the life of the RELENG_4 branch is a Very Bad Thing.(TM)


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