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Date:      Tue, 09 Jul 2002 15:38:54 -0700
From:      "Kevin Oberman" <oberman@es.net>
To:        Doug Barton <DougB@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        Jay Sachs <jay@eziba.com>, stan <stanb@awod.com>, FreeBSD Stable Mailing List <freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org>, des@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: ssh to remote machines problem after cvsup 
Message-ID:  <20020709223854.311985D03@ptavv.es.net>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 09 Jul 2002 13:50:24 PDT." <20020709134923.O24728-100000@zoot.corp.yahoo.com> 

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> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:50:24 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Doug Barton <DougB@FreeBSD.org>
> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG
> 
> Once again, it doesn't matter what the very small percentage of our user
> base who reads -stable thinks. What matters is the hundreds of thousands
> of people who expect the next RELENG_4 release to work pretty much like
> the last one did.

If that's what you want, ask for it. I think it would be reasonable to
have 4.6.1 retain the 4.6 behavior as it is supposed to be a bug-fix
only release and people will NOT be expecting this or any functional
change. But leave -stable as it is.

The number of SIGNIFICANT changes in the live of RELENG_4 that
required operational changes from users is quite large. RELENG_4
started out without SSH and than had V1 only. I'm almost sure that the
default disabling of EVERYTHING in the standard inetd.conf was in the
life of RELENG_4. Changes for PCcards and the like are very
significant. This is noise by comparison to those changes.

R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer
Energy Sciences Network (ESnet)
Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab)
E-mail: oberman@es.net			Phone: +1 510 486-8634

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