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Date:      Fri, 02 Aug 2002 13:54:32 -0400
From:      Mike Tancsa <mike@sentex.net>
To:        cjclark@alum.mit.edu
Cc:        freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: esp tunnel without gif(4) [Was Re: vpn1/fw1 NG to ipsec/racoontroubles, help please ...]
Message-ID:  <5.1.1.6.0.20020802134758.040a3e08@marble.sentex.ca>
In-Reply-To: <20020802174321.GB6880@blossom.cjclark.org>
References:  <sd4a58ca.054@aus-gwia.aus.dcnhs.org> <sd4a58ca.054@aus-gwia.aus.dcnhs.org>

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At 10:43 AM 02/08/2002 -0700, Crist J. Clark wrote:

>But why? Is there something this configuration buys you that you don't
>get when all are "vanilla" ESP tunnels?

I guess for me, when it gets routed through an interface the "feel" is more 
consistent. I do a netstat -nr, and I can see where the route points to.  I 
can then also do further firewall rules on traffic via the gif interface. I 
dont like the fact that my tunnels somehow dont show up in a netstat 
-nr.  I know that sounds trivial, but I think its somewhat important in 
security matters-- i.e. the admin has a good feeling at a gut level how it 
all works rather than, "oh yeah, normally it works that way, but not in 
this case."  The less one has to stop and consider "oh yeahs" / exceptions 
the better IMHO.

         ---Mike


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