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Date:      Tue, 04 Feb 2003 16:49:42 -0500
From:      pippo@bellnet.ca
To:        James Earl <mtntrip@telus.net>
Cc:        freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: portupgrading problems
Message-ID:  <5.1.0.14.2.20030204163759.00ba29f0@pop51.bellnet.ca>
In-Reply-To: <20030204093030.6ebaba44.mtntrip@telus.net>
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At 09:30 AM 2/4/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>On Tue, 04 Feb 2003 10:00:23 -0500
>pippo@bellnet.ca wrote:
>
> > Some time ago I chose FreeBSD over all other *nix systems because I found
> > the system better managed, easier to administrate, better supported and
> > simpler to update and upgrade both the OS and the programs - especially
> > through portupgrade.
> > Several times I have encountered glitches in the update process; some I
> > managed to figure out what the problem was, some other I just had to wait
> > until the port was corrected then re-cvsup and portupgrade. This, on 2
> > similar FBSD v.4.7 installations.
> >
> > Currently I have encountered problems with updating KDE3 (because 
> kdegames3
> > had some sort of problem - I don't have time for the games anyway, but 
> this
> > messes up the update - and the audio/arts program also had problems) and
> > Openoffice 1.02.
> > Open office seems to be a particular case as it requires 4Gb of space for
> > installation on *nix! I cannot think of another program that seems to 
> be so
> > bloated for installation. Is there an insurmountable problem here? I did
> > find a port for FBSD to install the Ooo v.1.0.1 but now to update - 
> whammo!
> > It seems to me that it is rare that one needs the huge capacity disks that
> > seem so current - I have 1 10gb and 1 34Gb raid array, but they are used
> > for different OS's and for storage. It is impractical to have to
> > re-organize your entire system just for 1 program. :((
> >
> > If the port is faulty and is uploaded to the port site, then the 
> downloaded
> > port sits in the machine and then you have to figure out what went wrong.
> > What is annoying is the enormous time it take to reinstall stuff like KDE3
> > and Open office only to find that the installation has failed and 
> sometimes
> > the old installarion is screwed up... Fortunately, I have not committed to
> > using FBSD and the *nix program exclusively as, so far, I have found that
> > there are still nasty kinks in the gears that take away too much time from
> > creative productivity for maintenance
> >
> > Can someone explain the best way to deal with the updating process? How to
> > minimize updating problems?
> > Thanks in advance,
> > PJ
>
>This is what I have found to work for me...  For OpenOffice.org, I don't 
>even bother building the monster.  It's just not worth it... instead I 
>download the pre-compiled package from http://projects.imp.ch/openoffice/ 
>.  I haven't had any problems with these packages, and they are usually 
>kept right up-to-date.

thanks for the link; I had lost it in time :((


>As for KDE3.  I don't use it, but I use GNOME2 sometimes.  I personally 
>don't bother using the "meta-port" (x11/gnome2 and x11/kde3), as it 
>installs more than I ever need or want (like games).
>
>My recommendation would be to install only what you want -- and the 
>dependencies of course :)

Good point; I guess I'm just too lazy to make the selections.... just let 
the puter do the work while I sleep. :))

Thanks, PJ




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