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Date:      Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:56:00 +0200
From:      John Hay <jhay@icomtek.csir.co.za>
To:        Vallo Kallaste <kalts@estpak.ee>
Cc:        freebsd-current@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Can't save Vinum config: No such file or directory
Message-ID:  <20040217095600.GA34847@zibbi.icomtek.csir.co.za>
In-Reply-To: <20040217092059.GA1352@kevad.internal>
References:  <20040213130520.GB714@pcwin002.win.tue.nl> <xzpisibawp6.fsf@dwp.des.no> <20040216092232.GA1632@kevad.internal> <20040216231455.GQ33797@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20040217092059.GA1352@kevad.internal>

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> > 
> > I don't know, but I haven't heard anything to the contrary.  But then,
> > Vinum mirroring is also stable.  Note that the message to which you
> > reply is based on a misunderstanding.  The issue here seems to be
> > finger trouble at startup, and that can happen with ccd as well.
> 
> Yes. Perhaps vinum is stable, but kernels past 5.2-RELEASE did
> sometimes panic in vinum at bootup (for me). 5.2-RELEASE kernel
> simply didn't boot with mirrored /usr filesystem. I will try the
> upcoming 5.2.x if ready, but until then I'm still with Dec 21 kernel
> which works reliably. I am not pointing to vinum at all, there has
> been lots of other changes.
> But as I need _reliable_ mirrored /usr, vinum seems to be out of
> game again.

Interesting, maybe the problem is not general but tied to specific
hardware or setups? I have 3 machines all with at least /usr, /var
and /home on vinum without seeing vinum problems:

#######################################
marge# uname -a
FreeBSD marge.icomtek.csir.co.za 5.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.2-RELEASE #0: Sun Jan 11 04:21:45 GMT 2004     root@wv1u.btc.adaptec.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  i386
marge# mount
/dev/vinum/root on / (ufs, local)
devfs on /dev (devfs, local)
/dev/vinum/usr on /usr (ufs, local)
/dev/vinum/var on /var (ufs, local)
marge# uptime 
11:45AM  up 27 days, 22:29, 2 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00
marge# 
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dolphin# uname -a
FreeBSD dolphin.icomtek.csir.co.za 5.2-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.2-CURRENT #4: Tue Jan  6 09:56:06 SAST 2004     jhay@dolphin.icomtek.csir.co.za:/export/obj/usr/src/sys/DOLPHIN  i386
dolphin# mount
/dev/ad0s1a on / (ufs, local)
devfs on /dev (devfs, local)
/dev/vinum/var on /var (ufs, local, soft-updates)
/dev/vinum/usr on /usr (ufs, local, soft-updates)
/dev/vinum/home on /home (ufs, local, soft-updates)
/dev/vinum/export on /export (ufs, local, nosuid, soft-updates)
procfs on /proc (procfs, local)
devfs on /dev (devfs, local)
devfs on /dev (devfs, local)
/dev/acd0 on /cdrom (cd9660, local, read-only)
dolphin# uptime 
11:45AM  up 35 days, 23:16, 32 users, load averages: 0.58, 0.73, 0.73
dolphin#
#######################################
zibbi:~ > uname -a
FreeBSD zibbi.icomtek.csir.co.za 5-20040129-CURRENT FreeBSD 5-20040129-CURRENT #0: Thu Jan 29 09:44:51 GMT 2004     root@builder.icomtek.csir.co.za:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  i386
zibbi:~ > mount
/dev/ad0s1a on / (ufs, local)
devfs on /dev (devfs, local)
/dev/vinum/var on /var (ufs, local, soft-updates)
/dev/vinum/usr on /usr (ufs, local, soft-updates)
/dev/vinum/home on /home (ufs, local, soft-updates)
zibbi:~ > uptime 
11:45AM  up 11 days, 22:39, 7 users, load averages: 0.15, 0.11, 0.14
zibbi:~ >
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One is pure IDE, one pure SCSI and one a IDE SCSI mix.

PS. I know there are sometimes other problems with vinum, like when
PKH changes APIs faster than the rest can keep up with, and I'm not
talking about those problems.

John
-- 
John Hay -- John.Hay@icomtek.csir.co.za / jhay@FreeBSD.org



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