Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:49:03 -0800 From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> To: <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Cc: FreeBSD@keyslapper.net Subject: RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo suchasNetBSD!!! Message-ID: <LOBBIFDAGNMAMLGJJCKNIEGAFAAA.tedm@toybox.placo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050211151210.GB1404@keyslapper.net>
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> -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Louis LeBlanc > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 7:12 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo > suchasNetBSD!!! > > So, do you draw the line in the sand here, or just step back? I've > drawn my lines before, and most of the time I'm *made* to step back. > Every time you draw another line, you get more fanatical or more > tired. If you rankle over the lines you've drawn in the past, you get > more fanatical. Otherwise those lines start to make less sense and > you just get tired and start accepting the ideals you drew lines > against. > This misses the point, Louis. You and I both understand the ideals at stake with Beastie. But an even more important ideal is that a civilized person fights against something he sees that is wrong, he does not remain silent. Remaining silent when an injustice is being done makes you no better than the criminal doing the injustice. Even if we lose this and are pushed over, it doesen't matter, because when we chose to fight, even though we lose, that means we have won when it comes to the higher ideal of fighting against injustice. I feel sorry for people like Garance, really. Here's a person who is tired of explaining Beastie, in short, he is tired of explaining the ideals of why FreeBSD is important. To him, FreeBSD is just another operating system - it's a better tool than the others, yes, but to him that is all there is to it. He doesen't really care about the ideals behind Open Source, not emotionally that is. To him it is all intellectual. He has no passion anymore for it, if he ever did. His goal is to see FreeBSD expanded simply because it's better than all the other operating systems, and he is willing even to sacrifice things that are integral to it - such as Beastie - in his quest to expand it. What he sadly doesen't understand is that going down this road means that at every turn you compromise something else, and that by the time you get to the end of the road, what you have been carrying is so twisted and changed that you hate it and hate yourself for allowing it to be ruined. You and I we know that there is more to the FreeBSD operating system movement than mere software. And a lot of the userbase understands this at a gut level too. We may not be able to immediately frame in words what that indefinable thing is - but we know it's there. Unless you want to switch that part of yourself off, your not going to be able to help seeing that what is happening is wrong. And when you know that something is wrong, you also know that you have a duty to speak out about it. Also, don't forget that there are many people that who are just beginning to understand what FreeBSD is all about. Even though they don't fully understand what makes FreeBSD so special and unique yet, this issue still matters to them, and they are depending on folks like us who do fully understand it. We also have a duty to them to speak out. Ted
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