Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 05:22:47 -0800 From: "jdow" <jdow@earthlink.net> To: <danial_thom@yahoo.com>, "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com>, <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Spamcop listed - need help to diagnose why Message-ID: <04d601c615e8$f33683f0$1225a8c0@kittycat> References: <20060110130432.35587.qmail@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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From: "Danial Thom" <danial_thom@yahoo.com>
> --- Ted Mittelstaedt <tedm@toybox.placo.com>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Unfortunately, jdow, since your using this
>> setup, the spammer has
>> >> already successfully delivered the mail to
>> you. The fact that you
>> >> delete the spam before reading makes no
>> difference - the spammer
>> >> doesen't know that and thinks they have
>> successfully delivered it.
>> >
>> >No they have not. They've managed to get it
>> onto my machine,
>> >transiently.
>> >It never got delivered to ME, the organic unit
>> here at this email
>> >address.
>>
>> I know that and your arguing out of your hat -
>> simply pulling statements
>> out of context. You know perfectly well that
>> the "to you" in the
>> sentence was to your machine, the paragraph
>> context told you that.
>>
>> Unfortunately in the spam game, it only matters
>> if the spammer
>> thinks they didn't successfully deliver it to
>> you. And that only
>> happens if the machine delivering the spam gets
>> an error when
>> trying to deliver it, since the spammer isn't
>> using legitimate
>> senders addresses and cannot get feedback any
>> other way.
>>
>> I've never been a fan of post-filters for this
>> reason. For some
>> kinds of filtering - like content filtering for
>> example - that
>> is the only way you can do it. But I think it
>> the height of
>> strangeness when SA checks blacklists and such
>> to assign scores.
>> If they really cared about spamfiltering, they
>> would use the
>> IP blacklists in the way they are intended - to
>> block access
>> completely to the spammer, not even let them
>> connect to the
>> server at all. The mail that SA is assigning
>> scores on based on
>> an IP blacklist shouldn't even be in the SA
>> filter to begin with.
>>
>> >> Denying the spam before it's even accepted
>> into the server is a
>> >> much better way. Unfortunately, a content
>> filter means you have to
>> >
>> >If you can make fetchmail do that you're
>> pretty clever, kemo sabe.
>> >
>>
>> No, but I can replace the Rube Goldberg
>> fetchmail arraingement your
>> using with a real mailserver that is on the
>> Internet all the time
>> and can make use of blacklist servers and such.
>>
>> And yes, I'm just as good at making
>> smart-alecky comments as you
>> are. Probably better at it, actually. Do you
>> want to knock it
>> off and go back to the technical merits
>> discussion now? ;-)
>
> YIKES. This is what happens when you put
> pimply-faced kids in charge of important things
> like mail. The "carpet bomb MECCA in order to
> kill a few terrorists" approach to computing. Its
> frightening.
Yeah, maybe he'll manage to survive long enough to acquire some wisdom
such as sometimes comes with age. (And without that gained wisdom getting
old must be unbearable.)
{^_-}
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