Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:14:19 +0100 From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= <des@des.no> To: Timo Schoeler <timo.schoeler@riscworks.net> Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: strace broken in 7.0? Message-ID: <86myrcce78.fsf@ds4.des.no> In-Reply-To: <20080111163934.7a427ab6.timo.schoeler@riscworks.net> (Timo Schoeler's message of "Fri\, 11 Jan 2008 16\:39\:34 %2B0100") References: <189878.45301.qm@web57002.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <20080110171132.GM71709@tuxaco.net> <1199987094.1713.20.camel@localhost> <47866B2A.8070503@elischer.org> <20080110201548.36862edb.timo.schoeler@riscworks.net> <3a142e750801101134p659f50c8qac731334dab9877d@mail.gmail.com> <20080110215931.f14b78ec.timo.schoeler@riscworks.net> <867iigfx54.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20080111134535.a86f2ea1.timo.schoeler@riscworks.net> <8663y0ebtj.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20080111143430.2304cde2.timo.schoeler@riscworks.net> <861w8oea08.fsf@ds4.des.no> <86tzlkct8a.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20080111163934.7a427ab6.timo.schoeler@riscworks.net>
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Timo Schoeler <timo.schoeler@riscworks.net> writes: > Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav <des@des.no> writes: > > Timo Schoeler <timo.schoeler@riscworks.net> writes: > > > Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav <des@des.no> writes: > > > > Plurium Interrogationum. Your question presupposes that FreeBSD > > > > is or will soon be unbuildable and / or that its quality > > > > decreases over time. > > > The quality decrease could be felt, and was felt by too many > > > people. > > No factual basis. > Lots of eMails, forum posts, etc. I'm not in charge to masticate > statistics for you. I don't think there is any way we can have a fruitful discussion about this if you continue to refuse to substantiate your claims. > > > > If you believe otherwise, you are misinformed, deluded or > > > > malicious. > > > I don't 'believe'. > > A favorite statement of fundamentalists. > No, Mr. Bush believes (!) that he's god sent. He believes. I > don't. I'm a friend of logic. I'm pretty sure that if you asked Mr Bush, he would say exactly the same. If you don't leave room for doubt, you don't leave room for rational thought either. > > > > That is not how collaborative open source development works. > > > On Linux it works like this, everyone does what (s)he wants, and a > > > few gurus (Torvalds etc) have hard times to concentrate on the > > > important things. > > This is not how Linux development works. I will not pursue it further > > as it isn't relevant to this discussion. > There's a difference of what's stated on paper and what's reality. I have no idea what's stated on paper about Linux development. I've been involved in it, on and off, for a couple of years, and I have a fairly good idea how it works. You may want to look up where I work sometime. > > Significant portions of FreeBSD were written by people who are no > > longer around, for a variety of reasons. > I know. There were similar discussions in the past that made people > go. Not in all cases, but it happened. And it was avoidable. Just to pick one random example: please explain to me how we made Cameron Grant go, and how his departure from the project was "avoidable". > > By your standards, all of that code should be removed unless someone > > else was willing to take over. > Yes. If nature creates something, it takes care. If a mum gives bith to > a baby, she cares (or, at least, *should*). Obvious. And if she no longer does, the child should be killed? > > If we did that consistently, you would be even angrier than you > > already are (judging from some people's reactions when we have been > > forced to do so in the past) > Ah, the great allmighty wisdomfilled guy again. Experience and wisdom are not the same thing. My experience is a matter of record; my wisdom is for others to judge. FreeBSD used to have a MIDI stack. It no longer does. A lot of people were angry when we removed it, which we did precisely because it was unmaintained. It turned out that they would rather have a MIDI stack that didn't work properly than no MIDI stack at all. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no
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