Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:25:33 +0900 From: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> To: Ulrich =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sp=F6rlein?= <uqs@spoerlein.net> Cc: ports <freebsd-ports@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: make.conf no x option Message-ID: <m2ab4twjb6.wl%randy@psg.com> In-Reply-To: <20090531115151.GC18676@acme.spoerlein.net> References: <m2vdnodrq5.wl%randy@psg.com> <20090526113714.GC1043@straylight.m.ringlet.net> <m2r5ycdr6c.wl%randy@psg.com> <20090526120948.GA14134@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <a01628140905260545q149622b9xfbde9fab3c49eef4@mail.gmail.com> <m2ljojelx6.wl%randy@psg.com> <20090526194617.GA16353@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <m2tz37d46c.wl%randy@psg.com> <20090531115151.GC18676@acme.spoerlein.net>
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>>>> i think this whole thing is worth a few days to settle in our heads. >>>> essentially, if we believe that freebsd is used extensively in >>>> headless server deployments, we should make that easy and smooth. >>> But even a headless server can run X clients with the display being on >>> some other (presumably non-headless) machine. That is on of the >>> beauties of the X Windowing System. >> >> [ thanks, but i am overly-familiar with the beauties and the some of the >> warts of x. ] >> >> someone installing a server may or may not want the x client version of >> a package as opposed to readline or curses. but, imiho, it would be >> good to make such decisions centralized, somewhat strong, and pretty >> clear. >> >>> The only part that would make no sense to install on a headless >>> machine is the X server itself >> >> and the support for it and the toys it occasionally seems to drag in. >> >> i really do not want the x client versions of emacs, cvsup, ... >> actually, i can not think of any ports i run on headless machines that i >> want spawning windows on my glass. ymmv, of course. >> >> i think that i would like to be able to say headless install and have to >> ack any port which wants to drag in x. > > First of all, try figuring out which ports got you into the X11 mess. On > my server I got: > > % pkg_info -R libX11-1.2.1,1 > Information for libX11-1.2.1,1: my point was specifically that, if we believe that freebsd is used by a major server population, that having to know/do this kind of cruft is ill-advised. randy
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