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Date:      Sat, 8 Jun 2013 21:59:43 -0500
From:      Adam Vande More <amvandemore@gmail.com>
To:        Jeremy Chadwick <jdc@koitsu.org>
Cc:        Steven Hartland <smh@freebsd.org>, fs@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Changing the default for ZFS atime to off?
Message-ID:  <CA%2BtpaK0QH51tpaOvK9H6-O86-CiuhCUrsiyXeA7OrGW3rwAfTw@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <20130608213331.GB18201@icarus.home.lan>
References:  <16FEF774EE8E4100AD2CAEC65276A49D@multiplay.co.uk> <20130608213331.GB18201@icarus.home.lan>

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On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Jeremy Chadwick <jdc@koitsu.org> wrote:

> I **strongly** oppose this change, for one key reason: the classic
> Berkeley UNIX mail spool format (known as "mbox"), which is still
> predominantly used on most UNIX systems today.
>
> Mail clients which read mbox files require a combination of atime and
> mtime to determine if new mail has arrived within the mailbox.  If
> mtime > atime, then there's new mail.  Not all mail clients support
> alternate methods of detection (for example mutt has check_mbox_size,
> which has had bugs/problems in the past (Google check_mbox_size),
> and is fallible in other ways).
>
> Further points:
>
> - FreeBSD comes with sendmail (MTA/MDA), which supports only mbox
>   natively
> - FreeBSD comes with mail/Mail/mailx (client), which only supports
>   only mbox natively
> - FreeBSD comes with biff/comsat, as well as from(1), which supports
>   only mbox natively
>

Most modern linuce use relatime eg the benefits of noatime and preserving
functionality for mail stuff.

https://access.redhat.com/site/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Power_Management_Guide/Relatime.html

-- 
Adam Vande More



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