Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 23:29:41 +0200 From: David Raver <david.raver@gmail.com> To: David Raver <david.raver@gmail.com>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Goodbye Message-ID: <CAKy4t%2B8oKQNt8K6wpvNtMb1qyUahhGgVG_UGx06%2BQzKNxTRDbQ@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20210711210017.GB2344017@admin02.HOFF.local> References: <CAKy4t%2B-1sKV8mTfcgfb2Vqo=h28ns8CtsTzyKPSVBU2W0qreLg@mail.gmail.com> <20210711131653.GA2137057@admin02.HOFF.local> <CAKy4t%2B-iuoLbvSG6Cet-=K52P4hz=BsSn5f_6RXsYuvK-Py-qg@mail.gmail.com> <20210711210017.GB2344017@admin02.HOFF.local>
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On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 11:00 PM Simon Hoffmann <freebsd@simonhoffmann.net> wrote: > One last mail and I promise to never bother you again. > > Did you just one day fall out of bed and knew how to use Linux perfectly? > Nope. It was like that: 1. The installation went perfectly. Meaning: after the installation the desktop showed up. I would've settled for shell and one command, say "install desktop", even if it didn't. Show up in the first try, that is. I wouldn't have settled for an equivalent of typing what should've been put into a shell script anyhow. 2. I was able to start using it, learning little by little without reading books about it. > Are you able to use all different Linuxes to the same degree and know > everything > No, not to the same degree. But I'm pretty sure the procedure would've been pretty similar to the one I described above. > there is to know? So are you a master/doctorate in Debian, Suse, RHEL, > Fedora, ... to > use your words? > Not by a long shot. I never claimed that. I'm merely a lowly developper, like I also described. But... I'm used to a certain set of tools and behaviours. > Oh, and you also spoke about Windows. So I guess you are also a Microsoft > MVP? > No. But somewhat similar tools I mentioned above are available on Windows also. So I don't complain too much. I'll also concede that most of the ifdefs in my project are due to Windows functionality. But I managed that also. > Because you cannot tell me that a Linux install, whatever the distro, has > everything > set up exactly the way you want it to be out of the box and automatically= . > I never claimed that. Moreover, if you're still prepared to listen... I'm pretty sure that if I had a desktop (preferably KDE) set up on any of the BSDs, I most probably wouldn't even had known the difference between that and my current Linux. Because that was my aim in the first place: merely verify that my project builds and runs on BSD. Moreover, I'm pretty sure that someday I'll do it. Successfully. I just have to cool down a little and find a distribution that meets my needs. D. > > > > > --- > > Simon > > > > On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 3:17 PM Simon Hoffmann < > freebsd@simonhoffmann.net> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Which commands did you use? > > > > > > > Can't remember anymore. They went out of my head along with the steam > > blowing out of my ears. > > > > > > > All of this is listed with detailed explanations. I was able to perfo= rm > > > the update on > > > first try without any problems. > > > > > > > Lucky you. > > > > > > > Time: 5 min. > > > > > > > You must be the one with the doctorate of General (or is it Special?) > > BSDvity Theory then. > > > > > > > su says sorry if your user is not in wheel. > > > > > > Sounds to me like you were in Live CD mode? > > > > > > > Sounds like your hearing must be impeccable. > > > > > > > > Google helped again: in order to do that one must choose option 2 > while > > > > > > Quick question: you are aware of the very detailed FreeBSD Handbook > that > > > answers > > > pretty much every question? > > > > > > > I am, yes. I just don't like the idea that in order to do some little > thing > > one must read it in its entirety. > > > > > > > Please take a look at https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/ > > > > > > > No thanks. Also, your hearing must be somewhat less than perfect in thi= s > > case. Let me repeat myself (for the tenth time): reading extensive > > handbooks to solve something that should've been solved automatically i= s > > not my favourite thing in the world. > > > > > > > > booting. Fsck!?! Obviously one must have a BSD degree to use a > computer. > > > > > > No, one must read the manual. BSD is not Linux. > > > > > > > OK, for the eleventh time: you know the drill by now > > > > > > > > OK, after a restart (and successful su) I googled about installing = a > GUI > > > > (KDE to be exact). Being unpleasantly surprised that, instead of a > > > > oneliner, one has to buy a new keyboard with an extended life > expectancy > > > in > > > > order to type an equivalent of Tolstoy's War and Peace. > > > > Man, how hard is it to put something in a shell script?!? > > > > > > Again, the Handbook is your best friend. > > > https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/x11/ > > > > > > > Note to self: man, some people choose to turn the blind eye even if you > > practically stick it to them. > > > > > > > You even have two ways of installing! Using pre-configured and > > > pre-compiled binaries > > > that can be installed via pkg add, or using ports to configure and > build > > > yourself, to > > > fulfill all your needs. Such wow! > > > > > > In a nutshell: > > > > > > pkg install xorg > > > pw groupmod video -m <user> > > > pkg install urwfonts > > > pkg install x11/sddm > > > echo dbus_enable=3D"YES" >> /etc/rc.conf > > > echo proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 >> /etc/fstab > > > echo sddm_enable=3D"YES" >> /etc/rc.conf > > > > > > > Nope, that's not what the handbook says. It's definitely more than seve= n. > > Quite a bit more. Moreover, if one makes one little spelling mix-stake, > > that could be your excuse for why the whole thing failed. I'm not into > > that. It has to be failsafe. > > > > > > > I don't know about you, but I count 7 lines of commands, which you ca= n > > > basically > > > copy-paste. I don't know what type of keyboard you have, but mine can > > > handle a few > > > keystrokes. > > > > > > > Mine handles "del BSD" (8 chars, incl. enter) pretty well. > > > > > > > Took me about 5 minutes aswell. > > > > > > > Took me about two seconds. Incl. handling the "Are you sure?" question. > > > > > > > You know, you could always ask politely to get help... > > > > > > > As polite as possible: HELP! > > Then again, it would be useless now. The del I mentioned above took car= e > of > > that. > > > > > > > Again, the Handbook is your friend. > > > > > > > Oh, man, I will not even bother anymore. > > > > D. > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > -- > > > Viele Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe > Simon Hoffmann >
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