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Date:      Wed, 26 Feb 2020 15:53:01 -0500
From:      Paul Mather <paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu>
To:        freebsd-arm <freebsd-arm@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Showstoppers for RPI3
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On Feb 26, 2020, at 11:11 AM, Klaus K=C3=BCchemann via freebsd-arm =
<freebsd-arm@freebsd.org> wrote:
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>> Am 26.02.2020 um 16:33 schrieb Ian Lepore <ian@freebsd.org>:
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>> On Wed, 2020-02-26 at 06:32 +0100, Klaus K=C3=BCchemann via =
freebsd-arm
>> wrote:
>>> But that=C2=B4s the absolute joke of the century :-) that these =
issues
>>> last so long here on the mailing list=20
>>=20
>> The current freebsd-arm devs keep pointing out that nobody is
>> especially interested in maintaining or working on rpi* stuff at all.=20=

>> Why in the world would you be surprised that nobody is working on it?
>>=20
>> If you want to run freebsd on arm hardware, try using hardware that
>> people are actually working to support.  If you must use crappy rpi
>> hardware, either run linux on it, or consider paying someone to do =
the
>> freebsd support you need.  Complaining that nobody will work for free
>> on hardware they hate working on is just... complaining.  =
Pointlessly.
>>=20
>> -- Ian
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> Ian and Kyle,
> I am very sorry that I was misunderstood.=20
> My absolute respect to you, I always follow your work on drivers etc. =
on phab ,
> I am not blind and can see, that you have much much work on other =
things(like me)..
> I am the" RPI-hater=E2=80=9C  no. 1 :-), have told that 100 times in =
fbsd-forums etc
> from the 1st day on =E2=80=A6 but I am willing to work on it because =
it is so much=20
> requested=E2=80=A6=20
> I am currently working on another gadget, will post that in the Wiki =
the next days=E2=80=A6
> very good results but when it comes to brcm hw =E2=80=A6.. ;-) =E2=80=A6=

> But I don=E2=80=99t want that fbsd is so much behind e.g. netbsd in =
supporting gadgets=E2=80=A6
> Netbsd has meanwhile reached the Ethernet-support for =
RPI4(ACPI-based)=E2=80=A6
> Wifi is supported there since months=E2=80=A6 and it shouldn=E2=80=99t =
be so impossible to e.g. adopt=20
> Those solutions to fbsd. ( of course only when people want to work on =
it,
> )..  but Ed Maste stated a clear aarch64->Tier1-roadmap and it looks =
funny=20
> When we fail in supporting devices while others do=E2=80=A6 and for =
netbsd afaik that are=20
> even fewer people working on it than fbsd ( just my few cents) .


Hmm...  A long time ago I used to run NetBSD/pmax and NetBSD/alpha as =
the main OS on the DECstation hardware in our lab.  I had no idea their =
support on Raspberry Pi was apparently so good.  I might give it a spin =
instead, as the situation with my FreeBSD/arm64 setup is a bit flaky at =
the moment (and I'm running 12-STABLE).

Thanks for the heads-up.

Cheers,

Paul.




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