Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 21:51:51 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Handy <handy@sag.space.lockheed.com> To: Studded <Studded@dal.net> Cc: ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Out of date and broken ports - AfterStep Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980307213553.7543E-100000@sag.space.lockheed.com> In-Reply-To: <35022DDE.1676E405@dal.net>
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>> The port was a major hassle. I'm not very happy with the end product. >> I'll send-pr it so it gets stuck in the system. > > Hmm.... what did you have difficulty with? Other than a few of the >optional modules not building I didn't have any problems. It built clean >and runs just fine for me. In fact I was half way considering submitting >patches for it myself. It builds clean modulo the offending apps. I just don't like the feel of the end product, and I'd rather all the apps weren't wrapped up in the port. I think they're ugly and for any single app listed there I can find a better one written specifically to do the job. The pager doesn't work, when I play with it a while eventually it won't let me jump to certain ... uh ... 'pages'. And in the default setup (with 4 2x2 pagers) I find the pagers are 3x3...but you can't see that third page. You can hide xterms there and never see them on the pager. I still managed to core-dump it, just like I can with V1.0. If you want to *really* be able to use it, you have to dump the whole #%!&$ GNUstep directory into your home directory, replete with all the icons (I think). That's what the INSTALL docs tell you to do preferably, otherwise it wants world-write to one of the GNUstep subdirectories in /usr/X11R6/share. It doesn't work with 24-bit color for the simple reason there isn't a complete set of 24-bit directories listed with the thing. (See the PLIST to see what I speak of here...it fails for the simple reason there isn't stuff like a "desktop-24bpp" directory.) I think that's just dumb, I think it should fall back on whatever desktops and icons you have, and if you don't have enough colors, it should do the best it can (as all the OTHER window managers in the world do now). The Win95 taskbar that appears at the top of the screen doesn't work very well, once you get too many windows going (and I usually do that pretty quick) that thing is similarly worthless. Anyway, that's all I can come up with off the top of my head. I used it for one day, gave it a real chance and pitched it in the trash, and this rant is the result of that experience. WindowMaker dances circles around it, IMHO. More solid, NO crashes in the time since I started it up (check the commit date on 0.14.0, I started my current windowmaker session the day before that time and it's still going strong), and I don't have huge directories of dreck sitting in ~/GNUstep. Other people's experience will vary. While I don't run huge web servers or serve zillions of clients, I *DO* punish my x-server as much as anybody and my machines spend a large portion of their day buried in swap. Lots of image analysis going on here and the window manager gets a workout. The new AS client ain't keeping up, and the old one blows a cojone about once every 5 working days or so. So...one or two things there that left a bad taste in my mouth. :-) Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ports" in the body of the message
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