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Date:      Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:48:32 -0800
From:      "David O'Brien" <obrien@FreeBSD.ORG>
To:        Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com>
Cc:        Mike Barcroft <mike@FreeBSD.ORG>, void <float@firedrake.org>, Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: syslogd and kqueue
Message-ID:  <20011029104832.A11707@dragon.nuxi.com>
In-Reply-To: <3BDD94FB.B9B87153@mindspring.com>; from tlambert2@mindspring.com on Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 09:42:19AM -0800
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On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 09:42:19AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote:
> David O'Brien wrote:
> > 
> > On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 08:35:35AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote:
> > > > No muss, no fuss.  So where is the race?
> > > > Mike had the only justification so far -- that of permissions of the
> > > > file.
> > >
> > > Think multiple instances of syslogd.
> > 
> > You are going to have to help me out a little bit more -- I can think of
> > no problems with what I proposed vs. the existing way.  Both have a race
> > of which daemon opens the file first.
> 
> Not if you don't use O_CREAT; then they don't.

Why not?  If the file exists and I start up two syslogd's, there is a
race of which one open's the file first.  If I start up two syslogd's and
the file does not exist and then I touch the file.  There will be a race
if I ``kill -HUP <pid #1> <pid #2>''.  If I take care to HUP only one
syslogd, move the file to the side, touch the file again and HUP the
second syslogd there is no race.  I can similarly take this amount of
care with the way I would like syslogd to work such that there is no
race.
 
-- 
-- David  (obrien@FreeBSD.org)

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