Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2019 13:13:43 -0800 From: Pete Wright <pete@nomadlogic.org> To: Grzegorz Junka <list1@gjunka.com>, Mark Blackman <mark@exonetric.com> Cc: Stefan Bethke <stb@lassitu.de>, freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The status of docker Message-ID: <20942f72-6bfd-011e-4f99-c6965e447544@nomadlogic.org> In-Reply-To: <3d447c97-f2c9-8f22-2c28-4c5920560a27@nomadlogic.org> References: <089e330d-2761-2440-3b7f-dd22e9088af5@gjunka.com> <929CF558-E8CC-4F7D-9C30-DDD63C17861D@lassitu.de> <a63ae2e5-28ba-5946-a8b6-28d29007ea7a@gjunka.com> <94964BDE-7B14-424B-88A5-4D8F4A9AAC56@exonetric.com> <83736f61-abe9-d85f-a782-1b684808678c@gjunka.com> <11fa9f16-0745-c86e-4820-fd9349b4d1ef@nomadlogic.org> <01255294-b0d6-3de9-6cde-671bd763a5a8@gjunka.com> <3d447c97-f2c9-8f22-2c28-4c5920560a27@nomadlogic.org>
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On 2/1/19 1:12 PM, Pete Wright wrote: > > > On 2/1/19 1:07 PM, Grzegorz Junka wrote: >> >> On 01/02/2019 19:49, Pete Wright wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 2/1/19 11:39 AM, Grzegorz Junka wrote: >>>> On 31/01/2019 07:50, Mark Blackman wrote: >>>>> What problem are you trying to solve with docker? >>>> >>>> There is a misunderstanding. I am not trying to solve any problem. >>>> The team I am working with is using docker during development (by >>>> using a preconfigured container they avoid having to setup a >>>> complex backend system on development/CI machines). I was hoping to >>>> use FreeBSD during the development but it proved difficult. I now >>>> have a choice of either switching to Linux natively (as bhyve >>>> didn't help) or to use MacBook Pro - both supporting docker out of >>>> the box. >>> >>> might be worth taking a look at hashicorp Vagrant. i've used it >>> with success in developer workflows in the past where most devs >>> were on macOS and we were targeting FreeBSD. >>> >>> https://www.vagrantup.com/intro/index.html >>> https://app.vagrantup.com/freebsd/ >>> >>> >>> IMHO docker on macOS is kinda hacky since you end up running Linux >>> inside virtualbox, then launch docker on those VM's (at least I >>> believe that used to be the case if things have changed). i also >>> feel like docker is a double edged sword (aside from the fact that >>> it locks you into linux) in that most people don't do a good job >>> tracking dependencies or actually apply updates/patches to base >>> docker images. >>> >> >> Looks like that that's no longer true and hasn't been true for the >> past 2 years: >> >> https://containerjournal.com/2016/08/15/docker-not-just-linux-anymore/ >> >> But it also looks like something similar could have been achieved by >> replacing xhyve/Hyper-V with bhyve. If docker is open source then >> that shouldn't be a problem? > > hrm, i guess the macOS install instructions are out of date: > https://docs.docker.com/docker-for-mac/install/ > "VirtualBox prior to version 4.3.30 must NOT be installed (it is > incompatible with Docker Desktop for Mac). If you have a newer version > of VirtualBox installed, it’s fine." > sorry ignore my previous email, i am totally mistaken and misread the docs :( -p -- Pete Wright pete@nomadlogic.org @nomadlogicLA
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