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Date:      Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:49:33 +0300
From:      Boris Samorodov <bsam@ipt.ru>
To:        Remko Lodder <remko@elvandar.org>
Cc:        freebsd-www@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html rewording
Message-ID:  <31705954@serv3.int.kfs.ru>
In-Reply-To: <474C473F.3080805@elvandar.org> (Remko Lodder's message of "Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:35:11 %2B0100")
References:  <34310.194.74.82.3.1196149799.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <87076177@ipt.ru> <474C473F.3080805@elvandar.org>

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On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:35:11 +0100 Remko Lodder wrote:
> Boris Samorodov wrote:
> > On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:49:59 +0100 (CET) Remko Lodder wrote:
> >> On Tue, November 27, 2007 12:05 am, Benjamin M. A'Lee wrote:
> > 
> >>> Replace:
> >>> 	Examples of entries that should not usually be declared 'offensive':
> >>> 	    * Hitler quotes.
> > 
> > I have already asked the question at another list but didn't get an
> > answer. As I'm not a native English speaker can someone say what that
> > phrase mean? As for me it seams like "Examples of enties that mainly
> > are not offensive: * Hitler qoutes".

> This means that quotes by Hitler should not by default be seen as
> offensive quotes. Imo he was a cruel man (to say the least) but
> that should have no influence on some of his quotes.

I asked some linguists and they said I was right.

> >> Personally I do not see a real reason to update this text,
> > 
> > I'd prefer to see someting like "Examples and entries that sometimes
> > may be not offensive: * Hitler quotes". But why the official FreeBSD
> > site should point an attention at him personally?

Seems that this is just how you understand that web page...

> >> I think it is
> >> fine as it is now, and indeed everyone should decide for him or herself
> >> whether these quotes are offensive or not,
> > 
> > OK, let _others_ decide it after reading those quotes. But let's stay
> > away of the politics at the official site. Using his name _alone_ *is*
> > politics.

> No, it's just one example that is being displayed, we could also
> cite some other cruel person from the past..

And that example may confuse/astonish someone (may be many) else?
Isn't it a best idea to remove strict examples?

> >> I think the world is already
> >> full of the additions that you are proposing :-) lets keep it simple..
> > 
> > OK, I'll try to advice a simple phrase that has a strict apolitical
> > meaning and send it via PR.

> OKI I noticed the PR, lets see what other people think:)

OK.


WBR
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Boris Samorodov (bsam)
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FreeBSD committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve



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