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Date:      Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:28:14 -0500
From:      Thomas Burgess <wonslung@gmail.com>
To:        Attila Nagy <bra@fsn.hu>
Cc:        freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, Matthew Jacob <mj@feral.com>
Subject:   Re: Plans for Logged/Journaled UFS
Message-ID:  <deb820500912201428i39f739b6v7dcf7624840a2722@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <4B2E95AE.9040402@fsn.hu>
References:  <20091030223225.GI5120@datapipe.com> <4AEB6D79.5070703@feral.com> <4B2E0FA9.1050003@fsn.hu> <4B2E65FC.9070609@feral.com> <4B2E95AE.9040402@fsn.hu>

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each version of FreeBSD to have ZFS has gotten better.  7.0 was cool, but
buggy.  7.1 fixed some stuff, but required a lot of tuning 7.2 amd64 made it
possible to run without any tuning on some systems and now in 8.0 amd64 it's
quite smooth for me.

I think the benefits outweigh the issues.  ZFS recently saved me from some
serious data loss due to a failing raid controller.

end to end data integrity via checksums is great.


On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Attila Nagy <bra@fsn.hu> wrote:

> Matthew Jacob wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>>>>
>>>> Which use cases can you name?
>>>>
>>> Reliable data storage. :(
>>>
>> Jeez, I wrote this months ago.
>>
>> Do you feel that improving UFS is a better way to go?
>>
> No, I think ZFS is the good way (although it has its problems as well). And
> I'm very grateful to the guys who worked on this.
> I've just summed my experiences, which tells me ZFS is still not ready for
> prime time. Where UFS keeps running for years, ZFS suddenly crashes, or
> worse, just freezes, in a way, which is hard to debug for the average user
> (a crashdump is easy, but when I can't even go to the debugger, that's
> hard).
> I hope that things will settle down and ZFS will be as much reliable in
> FreeBSD as UFS is now (or even better, I've had some bad crashes with UFS
> thanks to on-disk data corruption).
>
>
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