Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:45:19 -0600 From: James Harrison <jamesh@lanl.gov> To: Christian Zachariasen <chrizach@gmail.com> Cc: Jerry McAllister <jerrymc@msu.edu>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I'd like some help Message-ID: <1206380719.28606.7.camel@p25dual1.lanl.gov> In-Reply-To: <4a89d1190803241003s447d7a41u71fe6012d3e92068@mail.gmail.com> References: <108666.9038.qm@web83401.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <20080324160509.GE82671@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <4a89d1190803241003s447d7a41u71fe6012d3e92068@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 18:03 +0100, Christian Zachariasen wrote: > On Windows, I can really recommend the freeware burner program CDBurnerXP: > > http://cdburnerxp.se/ > Christian Zachariasen > On Windows XP, I usuall recommend infrarecorder: http://infrarecorder.sourceforge.net/ It's a nice FOSS CD burning application. James > On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Jerry McAllister <jerrymc@msu.edu> wrote: > > > On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 02:58:24PM -0700, Matthew Woodson wrote: > > > > > I've been learning about a bunch of the BSD OSes, and i want to try Free > > > BSD, but i can't figure out how to download it and the instructions > > don't > > > make sense. I am running Windows XP OS- can you tell me how to download > > > Free BSD with it? > > > > Well, you generally want an ftp client. Use it to ftp to: > > ftp.freebsd.org > > > > Use 'anonymous' for login id and your email address for password. > > > > >From there cd to pub/FreeBSD/releases (NOTE that case is > > significant) > > > > At this point, you need to know the type of machine. It is most > > likely i386 or amd64. amd64 is for the AMD64 processor. i386 is for > > all of the regular INTEL type processors that regular PCs use and your > > most likely choice. > > > > So, cd to i386 and then ISO-IMAGES > > > > Then you have to select the version. > > I would suggest starting with 7.0 > > > > cd cd to 7.0 > > > > So that ends you up in: > > > > pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/7.0 > > > > Then download the necessary ISOs. > > > > > > If you have a reasonable internet connection, you can install over > > the net. That is really the best if you can do it. > > > > In that case, you only need the file 7.0-RELEASE-i386-disc1.ISO > > > > If you hav a slow or unreliable network connection, then you may > > also need disc2 and even disc3. They have the ports' source code > > on them. > > > > Presuming disc1 is good enough, > > > > burn the file to a cd. Note that the file is already an ISO and > > doesn't need to be converted. It needs to be burned as a raw file > > to the CD. Some cd burner utilities make this a bit confusing. > > Each is a little different. > > > > > > You now need to decide how to divide the hard disk and if you will be > > putting only FreeBSD on the harddisk or sharing one with some other > > OS such as something from Microsloth (called dual booting). > > > > In any case, you have to have a slice dedicated to FreeBSD. > > Note that FreeBSD UNIX uses the term slice but Microsloth uses the > > term 'primary partition' to refer to a slice. The UNIX slice and > > the MS primary partition are essentially the same and are compatible. > > > > In BSD, a slice is further divided in to 'partitions'. Microsloth uses > > 'extended partitions'. But those MS extended partitions are completely > > different and incompatible with UNIX partitions. > > > > If you are sharing a disk, you will need to use some utility to > > shrink the existing disk allocation to make room for FreeBSD. > > > > Only 4 slices/primary partitions (names 1..4) are allowed on a disk in > > current systems. Typically a major vendor puts some proprietary > > diagnostic > > and hardware utilities in the first [small] slice and marks it hidden. > > Hidden is only meaningful to Microsloth systems. It remains visible to > > UNIX. > > > > Then they put the MS OS (XP or whatever) on slice 2 and make that slice > > contain all the rest of the disk, leaving slice 3 and slice 4 empty > > and unused. So, to fit FreeBSD on the disk, it becomes necessary to > > shrink that slice 2 to free up some space to allocate to another slice - > > most likely slice-3. > > > > I have used a commercial utility called Partition Magic successfully > > in the past to manipulate the slices and make room. That was with > > a version 7.0 of PM which was put out by a company called Power Quest. > > But, it got sold and the new owner put a version 8.0 which has not > > been as successful as far as I can see. I tried to use it to slice a > > USB disk and it would not talk to it, even though its promotional > > literature made a special point of advertising it would. So, I returned > > it for a refund. > > > > In consequence I get a utility called Gparted, made the boot floppy and > > was quite successful with using it to manipulate the disk. Just do a > > little search with google and find it and download it. It works fine. > > There are some other freeware utilities out there, but most will not > > work with the NTFS type Microsloth filesystem which is common nowdays. > > So, check on that. Gparted seems to handle it OK. > > > > Anyway, lets say you carve out a nice 40 GB of disk for FreeBSD and that > > is in slice 3 - a common circumstance. If you have a whole disk to > > decicate to FreeBSD the rest of this applies. You just don't need to > > go through the gyrations to make room on a shared disk and the disk name > > is slightly different - probably ad1 instead of ad0. > > > > Once you have space on the disk to fit FreeBSD, then boot up the > > FreeBSD install CD. Choose the appropriate location to do the install. > > That will probably be ad0s1 if you are making FreeBSD the only OS on the > > machine or ad0s3 of a shared drive or ad1s1 of a dedicated second > > drive. > > > > Choose that and then divide the slice as needed/desired. This becomes > > almost a religious issue and there are many reasons for doing it many > > different ways. The main ideas are: use a single partition, plus swap, > > or choose the defauly divisions, or a newer division scheme that takes > > in to consideration that sizes have grown in recent years. > > > > Note, the rule of thumb for swap is 2.2 X the RAM size, but some people > > use more or less of swap. There are reasons for each choice. > > > > Single plus swap is two partitions. > > One partition is root (/) on partition a All but swap > > the other is swap. no mount on partitino b 1 GB or more > > > > > > Default division has a small root, swap of 2.2 RAM, small /tmp > > > > My updated default is: > > > > a mounted on / 256 MB > > b no mount point 2.2 GB (for 1 GB memory) > > c describes slice - do not use > > d mounted on /tmp 768 MB > > e mounted on /usr 2 GB (a lot more if I use a lot of > > ports) > > f mounted on /var 4 GB (more if I use a database) > > g mounted on /home remainder of slice > > > > Once I get these established and things loaded/installed, I often > > move /usr/ports and /usr/src in to /home and make symlinks > > and /var/spoot and var/log also in to /home with symlinks. By > > doing that they have more room to grow without worrying about some > > rogue process killing the system. > > > > Go on and choose things to install. Mostly you want the ports > > system and X-org. > > > > After you get this installed and some configuration done - follow the > > handbook on these - do a csup and rebuild things to make sure you > > have all the latest security updates and ports fixes and improvements. > > > > Then go through ports and install things you want. Probably these > > will include OpenOffice, Firefox and associates, and maybe MySQL > > and PHP and Perl. I have a few other standard ones including a > > couple of games and drawing programs and system management aids. > > > > If you want to use this machine for Email, it already has sendmail > > which you can just start using. It will be ready to turn on. > > > > Learn to use vi. It is really easy once you get used to it (famous > > last words) and most importantly, it available on all UNIX systems, > > regardless of which other editors might be available. I have a tutorial > > about how to learn a simple vi on my website. I don't remember the > > exact address and that system is currently shut down - which it is now > > and then for some special work - but start with: > > > > http://z2.cl.msu.edu/~jerrymc/ <http://z2.cl.msu.edu/%7Ejerrymc/>; and > > look around. It is easy to fine. > > > > Have fun. After screwing stuff sufficiently and in the course of > > things, accidently learning something, then start over from scratch > > and set it up more to your liking. > > > > ////jerry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Thanks, Matthew > > > _______________________________________________ > > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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