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Date:      Sat, 29 Sep 2001 01:39:25 +0200
From:      "Karsten W. Rohrbach" <karsten@rohrbach.de>
To:        Mike Tancsa <mike@sentex.net>
Cc:        Ronan Lucio <ronan@melim.com.br>, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: flood attacks
Message-ID:  <20010929013925.C37579@mail.webmonster.de>
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010927125302.048abb10@marble.sentex.ca>; from mike@sentex.net on Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 12:57:48PM -0400
References:  <Pine.BSF.4.33.0109270907350.1695-100000@R181172.resnet.ucsb.edu> <037601c14773$52a23da0$2aa8a8c0@melim.com.br> <5.1.0.14.0.20010927125302.048abb10@marble.sentex.ca>

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just as a sidenote: some people from the net.community, prelude nids
projects and me are currently thinking about implementing a real network
intrusion management system which means that in the future we hopefully
will be able to do active countermeasure stuff concerning dos/ddos
and other network attacks.=20

there is no single line of code written yet, it's brainstorm and discussion
time at the moment. if you want to join the discussion check the archive
of the list [http://defender.webmonster.de/lists.html] and subscribe ;-)

cheers,
/k

Mike Tancsa(mike@sentex.net)@2001.09.27 12:57:48 +0000:
>=20
> The problem is that once its in your network, its too late so to speak. Y=
ou=20
> want to involve your ISP to get them to limit it before it traverses your=
=20
> link.  If you are lucky the packets are not random junk and you can block=
=20
> on the source IP.   Are they hitting the same port ? are they coming from=
=20
> random IPs ?  As someone said,
> sysctl -w net.inet.tcp.log_in_vain=3D1
> sysctl -w net.inet.ud.log_in_vain=3D1
>=20
> If they are not hitting random ports and hitting say your web server,
> ipfw add 10 count log tcp from any to me 80;sleep 10;ipfw delete 10
> and look at /var/log/security and see where the junk is coming from.
>=20
>          ---Mike
>=20
> At 01:41 PM 9/27/01 -0300, Ronan Lucio wrote:
> >Hi Dave,
> >
> >But, in my case, I looked at mrtg graphics and saw that
> >it had big flow during 1 hour.
> >So, I supposed to prevent such situation.
> >
> >[ ]=B4s
> >
> >Ronan Lucio
> >
> > > >     Limiting closed port RST response from 1800 to 200 packets per
> >second.
> > >
> > > Awhile back, I managed to reproduce this by portscanning myself with a
> > > very fast scanner which doesn't wait for any kind of response from the
> > > server before testing the next port.  The 1800 to 200 message thing s=
ounds
> > > quite general, so you could be getting flooded with lots of different
> > > kinds of data.  If the messages come in briefly and then stop for awh=
ile
> > > (rather than a continus flow) you could just be getting a fast port s=
can.
> > >
> > >
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