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Date:      Sun, 07 Dec 2014 16:27:57 +0100
From:      Martin Hanson <greencoppermine@yandex.com>
To:        Dewayne Geraghty <dewayne.geraghty@heuristicsystems.com.au>, "freebsd-pf@freebsd.org" <freebsd-pf@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: FOLLOW-UP
Message-ID:  <413861417966077@web11h.yandex.ru>
In-Reply-To: <54843241.1070908@heuristicsystems.com.au>
References:  <363021417833295@web21g.yandex.ru> <54843241.1070908@heuristicsystems.com.au>

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I stand corrected on that. Thanks Dewayne.

07.12.2014, 11:56, "Dewayne Geraghty" <dewayne.geraghty@heuristicsystems.com.au>:
> On 6/12/2014 1:34 PM, Martin Hanson wrote:
>>  Okay, this part "Has any important bugs been fixed in PF on OpenBSD
>>  since the current port in FreeBSD that actually makes the current PF in
>>  FreeBSD "dangerous" to run with?" was actually a really stupid question!
>>
>>  The..
>>
>>  http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/vendor-sys/pf/4.5.002/?view=log
>>
>>  .. shows that the last import was for tag 4.5.002 5 years and 3 month
>>  ago!
>>
>>  Going back to that time in the OpenBSD CVS log and then scrolling up
>>  until present day shows quite a bunch of REALLY important fixes! I am
>>  NOT talking about the changes made by the OpenBSD guys, just bug and
>>  error fixes!
>>
>>  http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/net/pf.c
>>
>>  Problems that can cause kernel crashes, fixes for PF crashing faults,
>>  out-of-memory errors, leak of states, and a whole lot of other
>>  important stuff.
>>
>>  Nobody in their right mind would run the current version of PF on
>>  FreeBSD!
>>
>>  I am sorry, but how can someone be so stupid as to get a whole bunch of
>>  new features into a product that seriously needs upgrading first!?
>>
>>  Whats going on FreeBSD? You used to be all about quality, now you're
>>  all about "bleeding edge features" and don't give a s*** about the rest?
>>
>>  Linux can get away with that crap ONLY because such a huge bunch of
>>  people and organisations are running and supporting it, they have a LOT
>>  of people developing stuff and fixing stuff really quick, FreeBSD
>>  haven't got that user base!
>>
>>  It needs to be about quality over features! Like in the good old 4.x
>>  and 5.x days!
>>
>>  Martin
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>
> Martin,
> I'm new to the pf list, as I'm looking to transition from ipfw to pf.  I
> wonder if your comparison might be better placed between
> http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/net/pf.c
> and the goodies under
> https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/sys/netpfil/pf/
> rather than https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/vendor-sys/pf/
> I don't know if the latter has any relevance?
> Regards, Dewayne
>
> --
> For the talkers: “The superior man acts before he speaks, and afterwards speaks according to his action.”
> For everyone else: “Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated.”



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