Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 18:28:03 +0200 From: Dan Partelly <dan_partelly@rdsor.ro> To: Pedro Giffuni <pfg@FreeBSD.org> Cc: Adrian Chadd <adrian.chadd@gmail.com>, freebsd-current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: DDB patches Message-ID: <3E6A6B32-1339-4466-81BA-4A74377D062C@rdsor.ro> In-Reply-To: <564F42AC.4050404@FreeBSD.org> References: <B6FDC307-13EB-48AC-8130-C597AB8C06F4@rdsor.ro> <B6BF97C8-9FE3-4ADE-A047-33AF0B879781@freebsd.org> <22918FB9-4DC2-438D-B9F0-C295DD273B50@rdsor.ro> <FE623ABB-F5D7-43AB-A7AA-8D3E5C09CE98@freebsd.org> <8FCD1760-FD2C-4C08-837A-A2ADD2581FC3@rdsor.ro> <564F42AC.4050404@FreeBSD.org>
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> A template for blackmailing is usually in the form: >=20 > "I will do this (usually involving saving the world and/or your > evidently miserable life) but first you will have to do this > (unrelated) thing to see that you are worthy.=E2=80=9D It is interesting how much you dwell on this. I just told you what = reasons=20 I have to take this path, and that it doesn't include the intent to = blackmail=20 anyone. I want to experience the process with already existing code,=20 before contemplating more in the future. Is this: 1. So hard to understand ? 2. Wrong in the eyes of god, or something ? Leaving aside saving the world, and / or miserable lives , damsels in = distress and other=20 fantasies, you will just have to accept what I said, instead of = insisting you know better what is in my head.=20 > . You can try.. but there will likely > be pain. You see this from a very interesting angle. I am not trying to change = you or your community.=20 No sane person would do that, knowing how powerful social forces are. = Do you really think I would embark on such a fool=E2=80=99s errand ? I told you, I like to = spend time with walking with my dog :P=20 What I am trying to determine where to position myself.=20 > That doesn't mean everyone is happy with it or that it is perfect > but it went in through an open process.=20 Ill take your word for it. But in my opinion the result of this open = process is that: 1. A distasteful solution was adopted into the base.=20 2. Still people think that it was adopted only because someone had the = code (Juniper) 3. While others seems to think Junpier ppl pushed it (Im not saying they = did,=20 but you can certainly push something pressing the correct political = buttons. > You can experiment on your own without waiting on us to decide: > eventually we may decide to bring it in =E2=80=A6 You tell me nothing new, but thank you. > On 20 Nov 2015, at 17:56, Pedro Giffuni <pfg@FreeBSD.org> wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 11/20/15 08:54, Dan Partelly wrote: >> Hi Pedro, >>=20 >> I think you confuse blackmailing with something much simpler and = pragmatic. >> One needs to asses how things work in your project for real before = investing >> too much time. >>=20 >=20 > A template for blackmailing is usually in the form: >=20 > "I will do this (usually involving saving the world and/or your > evidently miserable life) but first you will have to do this > (unrelated) thing to see that you are worthy." >=20 >> Adrian was contemplating the fact that none writes code, so I had = some code at the >> hand with with I can see how things work around here. You want it, = good. >> You don't want it, its also good. >=20 > I don't know about the (new) libxo discussion, but the ddb thing is = unrelated to such discussion, and when I first looked at it it was > not in good shape. >=20 > You want to trash it=E2=80=A6 also good. >> Its all the same to me. This process is aimed to give me an idea , = if your workflow >> works for me. >>=20 >=20 > In my experience it is always easier for new contributors to adapt to > the community than to re-shape it. You can try.. but there will likely > be pain. >=20 >=20 >>=20 >>> you discuss your idea and try to get some consensus in the = lists/IRC/conferences. >>=20 >> I am not particularly interested in promoting ideas and gathering = consensus. I am not a >> politician. I happen to believe that translating some utilities from = the base to libraries >> is a very valuable addition to the project. Id rather spend time = with my familty and walk >> around the city in nature with my GSD dog than embarking on some = twisted political >> campaign. >>=20 >>> We are particularly NOT interested in code where the original = contributor will walk >>> away as soon as he/she receives criticism or has plans that do not = match ours. >>=20 >> Undeerstandable. >>=20 >>>=20 >>> Libxo already went through this process. >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>>> Libxo already went through this process. >>=20 >> It did, aint it ? And I seen what kind of =E2=80=9Cconsensus=E2=80=9D = the xoification of base >> caused. Apparently, adopted for no better reason than =E2=80=9Csomeone = wrote code=E2=80=9D . >>=20 >=20 >=20 > There was a GSoC that did a different implementation but libxo was > specifically made for FreeBSD after a long discussion. >=20 > That doesn't mean everyone is happy with it or that it is perfect > but it went in through an open process. The process, call it politics > or consensus or community building, is important in any opensource > effort that aims to be sustainable. >=20 > These days github makes it pretty easy for anyone to play with their > new ideas to the limit. When I mean you can fork your own BSD, I > mean it. You can experiment on your own without waiting on us to = decide: > eventually we may decide to bring it in ... >=20 > Pedro.
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