Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2024 21:19:49 +0100 (CET) From: henrichhartzer@tuta.io To: Ronald Klop <ronald-lists@klop.ws> Cc: Freebsd Ports <freebsd-ports@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Latest and quarterly best practices Message-ID: <Nq4DV8G--3-9@tuta.io> In-Reply-To: <592560205.22819.1704440645198@localhost-NnN_9Iu----9> References: <NnH9ree--3-9@tuta.io> <592560205.22819.1704440645198@localhost-NnN_9Iu----9>
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Hi Ronald and all, Sorry for the wait on this. I didn't mean to stir up any controversy. I thi= nk the general guidelines are good. I have requested many times that a part= icular package update be backported into quarterly. I was mainly just hopin= g to put this out in the open so more people might think about it. Jan, you are absolutely right about hyprland. I was trying to come up with = a negative example of why someone might not want to update quarterly right = away, but it was a bad example indeed. Thanks for the discussion here. I appreciate all of the replies. Henrich Jan 5, 2024, 07:44 by ronald-lists@klop.ws: > > > Van:> henrichhartzer@tuta.io > Datum:> 4 januari 2024 02:52 > Aan:> Freebsd Ports <freebsd-ports@freebsd.org> > Onderwerp:> Latest and quarterly best practices > >> Hi, >> =20 >> I'm not a committer so this shouldn't carry much weight. Just wanted to= express my opinion. >> =20 >> I think the latest and quarterly setup is a nice and clever one. Unfort= unately, it seems fairly often that ports that should probably be cherrypic= ked into quarterly are not. Occasionally, some updates make it into quarter= ly that don't make clear sense to me, but this is much more rare. >> =20 >> I propose that as a rule of thumb, if a package uses Semantic Versionin= g (semver) and the changes are non-breaking, it should be cherry picked int= o quarterly. Especially if this is only a patch level change and not a mino= r, but likely either way. >> =20 >> A couple of recent examples that I've seen, which I would like to point= out Please note that I am *not* picking on anyone and this is just what I'= m more familiar with. >> =20 >> net-p2p/monero-cli was updated from 0.18.2.2_2 to=C2=A00.18.3.1 on the = 19th of October. Any software that is blockchain related tends to need to b= e as current as possible for security reasons. Quarterly still has=C2=A00.1= 8.2.2_2 (although 2023Q1 will be cut soon, I assume) which is quite out of = date now. >> =20 >> An opposite case, and this one may be truly a no harm no foul case: x11= -wm/hyprland was updated from 0.33.1_2 to=C2=A00.34.0, and cherrypicked to = quarterly. There were a number of changes in this release, and I personally= would be hesitant to recommend such a cherrypicking unless there were know= n issues with 0.33.1 that users had complained about. Otherwise, since it's= an offline window manager, it seems like waiting for the quarterly release= would make the most sense. Now in this case I don't know the context and c= herrypicking may have made complete sense -- I'm just using it as an exampl= e to try and explain my thoughts. >> =20 >> Please don't feel at all like I'm being nitpicky. I'm just hoping to co= ntribute how I can and it seems like the processes around cherrypicking cou= ld be improved. I love FreeBSD and appreciate the tremendous amount of work= that has gone into it. It really is great because of the contributions of = many I'm just hoping to make it even greater! >> =20 >> Thank you for reading, and Happy New Year! >> =20 >> Sincerely, >> Henrich >> >> >> > > Thanks for your ideas. > > There are some guidelines to this. > https://wiki.freebsd.org/Ports/QuarterlyBranch > > But it is not a =E2=80=9Cprocess=E2=80=9D as in somebody is responsible f= or this. It is mostly up to the maintainer of the port to cherry-pick. > > So if you miss something in a Q branch I think it is fastest to: > 1- contact the maintainer of the port by mail or PR. > 2- contact this ports mailing list. > > Does this resolve anything of your thoughts? > > Regards, > Ronald. > >
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