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Date:      Wed, 12 Apr 2023 23:11:08 -0700
From:      Mark Millard <marklmi@yahoo.com>
To:        Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com>, dev-commits-src-main@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: git: 2a58b312b62f - main - zfs: merge openzfs/zfs@431083f75
Message-ID:  <5C8E3DDB-3D8D-4C7F-94DE-09CF45611E70@yahoo.com>
References:  <5C8E3DDB-3D8D-4C7F-94DE-09CF45611E70.ref@yahoo.com>

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From: Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert_at_cschubert.com> wrote on
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2023 05:47:33 UTC :

> On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 22:28:13 -0700
> Mark Millard <marklmi@yahoo.com> wrote:
>=20
> > From: Charlie Li <vishwin_at_freebsd.org> wrote on
> > Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2023 20:11:16 UTC :
> >=20
> > > Charlie Li wrote:=20
> > > > Mateusz Guzik wrote:=20
> > > >> can you please test poudriere with
> > > >> https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/pull/14739/files
> > > >>=20
> > > > After applying, on the md(4)-backed pool regardless of =
block_cloning,=20
> > > > the cy@ `cp -R` test reports no differing (ie corrupted) files. =
Will=20
> > > > report back on poudriere results (no block_cloning).
> > > >=20
> > > As for poudriere, build failures are still rolling in. These are =
(and=20
> > > have been) entirely random on every run. Some examples from this =
run:
> > >=20
> > > lang/php81:
> > > - post-install: @${INSTALL_DATA} ${WRKSRC}/php.ini-development=20
> > > ${WRKSRC}/php.ini-production ${WRKDIR}/php.conf =
${STAGEDIR}/${PREFIX}/etc
> > > - consumers fail to build due to corrupted php.conf packaged
> > >=20
> > > devel/ninja:
> > > - phase: stage
> > > - install -s -m 555=20
> > > /wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/ninja/work/ninja-1.11.1/ninja=20
> > > /wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/ninja/work/stage/usr/local/bin
> > > - consumers fail to build due to corrupted bin/ninja packaged
> > >=20
> > > devel/netsurf-buildsystem:
> > > - phase: stage
> > > - mkdir -p=20
> > > =
/wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/netsurf-buildsystem/work/stage/usr/local/share/ne=
tsurf-buildsystem/makefiles=20
> > > =
/wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/netsurf-buildsystem/work/stage/usr/local/share/ne=
tsurf-buildsystem/testtools
> > > for M in Makefile.top Makefile.tools Makefile.subdir =
Makefile.pkgconfig=20
> > > Makefile.clang Makefile.gcc Makefile.norcroft Makefile.open64; do =
\
> > > cp makefiles/$M=20
> > > =
/wrkdirs/usr/ports/devel/netsurf-buildsystem/work/stage/usr/local/share/ne=
tsurf-buildsystem/makefiles/;=20
> > > \
> > > done
> > > - graphics/libnsgif fails to build due to NUL characters in=20
> > > Makefile.{clang,subdir}, causing nothing to link=20
> >=20
> > Summary: I have problems building ports into packages
> > via poudriere-devel use despite being fully updated/patched
> > (as of when I started the experiment), never having enabled
> > block_cloning ( still using openzfs-2.1-freebsd ).
> >=20
> > In other words, I can confirm other reports that have
> > been made.
> >=20
> > The details follow.
> >=20
> >=20
> > [Written as I was working on setting up for the experiments
> > and then executing those experiments, adjusting as I went
> > along.]
> >=20
> > I've run my own tests in a context that has never had the
> > zpool upgrade and that jump from before the openzfs import to
> > after the existing commits for trying to fix openzfs on
> > FreeBSD. I report on the sequence of activities getting to
> > the point of testing as well.
> >=20
> > By personal policy I keep my (non-temporary) pool's compatible
> > with what the most recent ??.?-RELEASE supports, using
> > openzfs-2.1-freebsd for now. The pools involved below have
> > never had a zpool upgrade from where they started. (I've no
> > pools that have ever had a zpool upgrade.)
> >=20
> > (Temporary pools are rare for me, such as this investigation.
> > But I'm not testing block_cloning or anything new this time.)
> >=20
> > I'll note that I use zfs for bectl, not for redundancy. So
> > my evidence is more limited in that respect.
> >=20
> > The activities were done on a HoneyComb (16 Cortex-A72 cores).
> > The system has and supports ECC RAM, 64 GiBytes of RAM are
> > present.
> >=20
> > I started by duplicating my normal zfs environment to an
> > external USB3 NVMe drive and adjusting the host name and such
> > to produce the below. (Non-debug, although I do not strip
> > symbols.) :
> >=20
> > # uname -apKU
> > FreeBSD CA72_4c8G_ZFS 14.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 14.0-CURRENT #90 =
main-n261544-cee09bda03c8-dirty: Wed Mar 15 20:25:49 PDT 2023 =
root@CA72_16Gp_ZFS:/usr/obj/BUILDs/main-CA72-nodbg-clang/usr/main-src/arm6=
4.aarch64/sys/GENERIC-NODBG-CA72 arm64 aarch64 1400082 1400082
> >=20
> > I then did: git fetch, stash push ., merge --ff-only, stash apply . =
:
> > my normal procedure. I then also applied the patch from:
> >=20
> > https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/pull/14739/files
> >=20
> > Then I did: buildworld buildkernel, install them, and rebooted.
> >=20
> > The result was:
> >=20
> > # uname -apKU
> > FreeBSD CA72_4c8G_ZFS 14.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 14.0-CURRENT #91 =
main-n262122-2ef2c26f3f13-dirty: Wed Apr 12 19:23:35 PDT 2023 =
root@CA72_4c8G_ZFS:/usr/obj/BUILDs/main-CA72-nodbg-clang/usr/main-src/arm6=
4.aarch64/sys/GENERIC-NODBG-CA72 arm64 aarch64 1400086 1400086
> >=20
> > The later poudriere-devel based build of packages from ports is
> > based on:
> >=20
> > # ~/fbsd-based-on-what-commit.sh -C /usr/ports
> > 4e94ac9eb97f (HEAD -> main, freebsd/main, freebsd/HEAD) =
devel/freebsd-gcc12: Bump to 12.2.0.
> > Author: John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org>
> > Commit: John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org>
> > CommitDate: 2023-03-25 00:06:40 +0000
> > branch: main
> > merge-base: 4e94ac9eb97fab16510b74ebcaa9316613182a72
> > merge-base: CommitDate: 2023-03-25 00:06:40 +0000
> > n613214 (--first-parent --count for merge-base)
> >=20
> > poudriere attempted to build 476 packages, starting
> > with pkg (in order to build the 56 that I explicitly
> > indicate that I want). It is my normal set of ports.
> > The form of building is biased to allowing a high
> > load average compared to the number of hardware
> > threads (same as cores here): each builder is allowed
> > to use the full count of hardware threads. The build
> > used USE_TMPFS=3D"data" instead of the USE_TMPFS=3Dall I
> > normally use on the build machine involved.
> >=20
> > And it produced some random errors during the attempted
> > builds. A type of example that is easy to interpret
> > without further exploration is:
> >=20
> > pkg_resources.extern.packaging.requirements.InvalidRequirement: =
Parse error at "'\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00'": Expected =
W:(0-9A-Za-z)
> >=20
> > A fair number of errors are of the form: the build
> > installing a previously built package for use in the
> > builder but later the builder can not find some file
> > from the package's installation.
> >=20
> > Another error reported was:
> >=20
> > ld: error: /usr/local/lib/libblkid.a: unknown file type
> >=20
> > For reference:
> >=20
> > [main-CA72-bulk_a-default] [2023-04-12_20h45m32s] [committing:] =
Queued: 476 Built: 252 Failed: 11 Skipped: 213 Ignored: 0 Fetched: 0 =
Tobuild: 0 Time: 00:37:52
> >=20
> > I started another build that tried to build 224 packeges:
> > the 11 failed and 213 skipped.
> >=20
> > Just 1 package built that failed before:
> >=20
> > [00:04:58] [09] [00:04:15] Finished databases/sqlite3@default | =
sqlite3-3.41.0_1,1: Success
> >=20
> > It seems to be the only one where the original failure was not
> > an example of complaining about the missing/corrupted content
> > of a package install used for building. So it is an example
> > of randomly varying behavior.
> >=20
> > That, in turn, allowed:
> >=20
> > [00:04:58] [01] [00:00:00] Building security/nss | nss-3.89
> >=20
> > to build but everything else failed or was skipped.
> >=20
> > The sqlite3 vs. other failure difference suggests that writes
> > have random problems but later reads reliably see the problem
> > that resulted (before the content is deleted).
> >=20
> >=20
> > After the above:
> >=20
> > # zpool status
> > pool: zroot
> > state: ONLINE
> > config:
> >=20
> > NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM
> > zroot ONLINE 0 0 0
> > da0p8 ONLINE 0 0 0
> >=20
> > errors: No known data errors
> >=20
> > # zpool scrub zroot
> > # zpool status
> > pool: zroot
> > state: ONLINE
> > scan: scrub repaired 0B in 00:16:25 with 0 errors on Wed Apr 12 =
22:15:39 2023
> > config:
> >=20
> > NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM
> > zroot ONLINE 0 0 0
> > da0p8 ONLINE 0 0 0
> >=20
> > errors: No known data errors
> >=20
> >=20
> > =3D=3D=3D
> > Mark Millard
> > marklmi at yahoo.com
>=20
> Did your pools suffer the EXDEV problem? The EXDEV also corrupted =
files.

As I reported, this was a jump from before the import
to as things are tonight (here). So: NO, unless the
existing code as of tonight still has the EXDEV problem!

Prior to this experiment I'd not progressed any media
beyond: main-n261544-cee09bda03c8-dirty Wed Mar 15 20:25:49.

> I think, without sufficient investigation we risk jumping to
> conclusions. I've taken an extremely cautious approach, rolling back
> snapshots (as much as possible, i.e. poudriere datasets) when EXDEV
> corruption was encountered.

Again: nothing between main-n261544-cee09bda03c8-dirty and
main-n262122-2ef2c26f3f13-dirty was involved at any stage.

> I did not rollback any snapshots in my MH mail directory. Rolling back
> snapshots of my MH maildir would result in loss of email. I have to
> live with that corruption. Corrupted files in my outgoing sent email
> directory remain:
>=20
> slippy$ ugrep -cPa '\x00' ~/.Mail/note | grep -c :1=20
> 53
> slippy$=20
>=20
> There are 53 corrupted files in my note log of 9913 emails. Those =
files
> will never be fixed. They were corrupted by the EXDEV bug. Any new ZFS
> or ZFS patches cannot retroactively remove the corruption from those
> files.
>=20
> But my poudriere files, because the snapshots were rolled back, were
> "repaired" by the rolled back snapshots.
>=20
> I'm not convinced that there is presently active corruption since
> the problem has been fixed. I am convinced that whatever corruption
> that was written at the time will remain forever or until those files
> are deleted or replaced -- just like my email files written to disk at
> the time.

My test results and procedure just do not fit your conclusion
that things are okay now if block_clonging is completely avoided.



=3D=3D=3D
Mark Millard
marklmi at yahoo.com




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