Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2023 15:40:37 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith <steve@sohara.org> To: Tim Daneliuk <tundra@tundraware.com> Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Docker Message-ID: <20230417154037.6aa71b1ec09a9daf6b5c74bc@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <8f65dddf-185f-8154-ad8e-47aefb5f8021@tundraware.com> References: <20230329053443.6ADA6B6AFED5@dhcp-8e64.meeting.ietf.org> <CA%2B1FSihVrJ8cZ4ZU6mMr0sKJsZ98V4fh2vpDLugw7MGj-%2BEBPg@mail.gmail.com> <CA%2B1FSijL50mQ-HveBA4HZeNkSoaORv=aty-15nNLzn9amzY_nw@mail.gmail.com> <6002f636-310b-a9fd-b82f-346618976983@timpreston.net> <CA%2B1FSigV_pPwVW%2BDd8WZYGcNQVt7%2BYOcsnJFoRhS6jL5A636pg@mail.gmail.com> <20230412150350.12f97eb2c9dd566b8c8702d2@sohara.org> <CA%2B1FSihVPCQ6tp8u=aqnLyyOPpCMrnhYGcC8bCUgRbFHTdY5sA@mail.gmail.com> <1535315680.2770963.1681309684072@mail.yahoo.com> <20230412155252.5e38ea4728bd52dc798852fc@sohara.org> <1d0a7ed1-9330-49df-9b66-9ee4387de511@app.fastmail.com> <78F4160A-2D26-4A22-9139-A9132FC42688@ellael.org> <20230417133223.3ef5e26c.freebsd@edvax.de> <CA%2B1FSihn%2BB6LTUm7gof6Nd=niL5=dMvQ46HUv=NJ2%2BNhcLS7RQ@mail.gmail.com> <54e45838-28df-d99d-f063-e2613589a98d@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20230417135251.08c45b7f8c82749b979efe58@sohara.org> <8f65dddf-185f-8154-ad8e-47aefb5f8021@tundraware.com>
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On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 09:10:16 -0500 Tim Daneliuk <tundra@tundraware.com> wrote: > On 4/17/23 07:52, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > With Docker and Kubernetes it is straightforward to do this sort of > > thing with rather fewer and less skilled admins. > > I agree with the spirit of your point but not that last bit. We do want > to get to the point where we can "treat servers like cattle" but > docker and K8s don't really do that on their own. You have to do a ton > of engineering to make that environment deployable, scaleable, > self-annealing, observable, etc. I agree - but it is a ton less work than doing it without them. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith <steve@sohara.org>
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