Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2019 11:26:38 -0800 From: Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com> To: John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org>, Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org>, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org, arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Importing mksh in base Message-ID: <75D9D651-86B1-4246-8A10-959BE3A45975@cschubert.com> In-Reply-To: <9036c9e8-ba86-6e62-e2db-4dea40ef8406@FreeBSD.org> References: <20190125165751.kpcjjncmf7j7maxd@ivaldir.net> <D43F06EE-A6A9-4F7D-BF81-8EC2298F86C9@cschubert.com> <C9B49E76-30FC-42FB-9B44-AC9740E26655@FreeBSD.org> <9036c9e8-ba86-6e62-e2db-4dea40ef8406@FreeBSD.org>
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On January 25, 2019 11:14:23 AM PST, John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org> wrote: >On 1/25/19 11:07 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >>> As to replacing root's shell, replacing tcsh is a large POLA >violation. >> >> It will not replace in existing installation just make it the default >in new installation I can t see how this is a POLA violation if it is >in new setup on new major version (upgrades won t be affacted) > >I'm mostly struggling to find a reason to care what is in root's >/etc/passwd >line, but aside from that, for people who use mergemaster or etcupdate, >it >will try to merge the new shell during an upgrade of an existing >system. >Granted, if you have an actual root password set the line will be a >conflict, but it's not strictly true to say that existing installs >wouldn't >be affected. > >>> Maybe give users the option at install time instead. >> >> Doable, unsure it is worth it but yes we can do that if that is asked >a lot > >I think we should avoid the tendency to add new questions to the >install if >we can avoid it. I often see this mentioned for potential POLA-type >changes >and I think there are two issues: 1) it doesn't address upgrades, and >2) we >should keep a streamlined install process as much as possible IMO. If >we >start piling up a bunch of extra questions during the install it will >just >make users' eyes glaze over. I'm willing to concede what shell root uses by default part of this thread. -- Pardon the typos and autocorrect, small keyboard in use. Cheers, Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com> FreeBSD UNIX: <cy@FreeBSD.org> Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few.
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