Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2019 09:17:31 -0800 From: Devin Teske <dteske@FreeBSD.org> To: Michael Gmelin <grembo@freebsd.org> Cc: Devin Teske <dteske@FreeBSD.org>, Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@freebsd.org>, arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Importing mksh in base Message-ID: <69E462A0-B9E9-4D26-898F-A96036227E65@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <BB2CCC27-9277-4300-BF59-B5C62641A7B1@freebsd.org> References: <20190125165751.kpcjjncmf7j7maxd@ivaldir.net> <BB2CCC27-9277-4300-BF59-B5C62641A7B1@freebsd.org>
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> On Jan 25, 2019, at 9:13 AM, Michael Gmelin <grembo@freebsd.org> = wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On 25. Jan 2019, at 17:57, Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@freebsd.org> = wrote: >>=20 >> Hi everyone, >>=20 >> I would like to import mksh in base, https://www.mirbsd.org/mksh.htm >> And make it the default root shell (not necessary in one step) >>=20 >> Why: >> 1/ it is tiny 400k (in the packaged version) all other shells fitting = the >> expectation are bigger >> 2/ it's default frontend in interactive mode is very close to what = most people >> are used to with bash and shells as default root shell on other BSD = and most >> linuxes >> 3/ from my narrow window csh as a default root shell is one of the = major >> complaint (usually the first thing a user get faced to) from new = comers and >> also for some long timers who are reinstalling a machine and have not = yet >> installed/configured a bourne compatible shell >>=20 >> What this proposal is _NOT_ about: >> 1/ the removal of tcsh from base >> 2/ any kid of denial of the quality and interest or features of csh >>=20 >> What do you think? >=20 > Without knowing mksh in detail, based on your description I=E2=80=99m = in favor of replacing csh with something closer to bash as the default = root shell. In over 20 years of FreeBSD I didn=E2=80=99t manage to warm = up with csh and none of the people I introduced to FreeBSD in that time = did either. >=20 Working at Vicor for 10 years, where phk and jelischer used to work, = nearly everyone there was well-versed in csh. I learned a lot of cool = stuff and features it had to offer (such as "repeat N cmd"). Now the = topic of replacing csh root shell with a bourne variant, I can't help = but think of those old-hands at Vicor. The people that, every time I = have lunch with, teach me ever more lore and impart priceless historical = data points. --=20 Devin=
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