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Date:      Sat, 31 May 2014 11:06:31 -0700
From:      Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org>
To:        Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
Cc:        "freebsd-arm@freebsd.org" <freebsd-arm@freebsd.org>, Bernd Walter <ticso@cicely7.cicely.de>, ticso@cicely.de, Ian Lepore <ian@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: TRIM on SD cards
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On 31 May 2014 10:49, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:
>
> On May 31, 2014, at 11:31 AM, Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org> wrote:
>
>> On 31 May 2014 09:45, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:
>>
>>> One of the things that I did for images years ago was compressed tar fi=
les. There was so much variation between CF makers and at the time CF geome=
try was important to the BIOS, so we made our images as tar balls. We then =
had a makefile target that would create a partition on the card that was ac=
tually there, put boot blocks on it then extract the tarball=E2=80=A6  I ne=
ver have liked DD for creating images, even when LBAs ruled the day because=
 you=E2=80=99d always have to grow/shrink the FS afterwards. The only advan=
tage it had was it was easy=E2=80=A6 Perhaps it is time to go back to that =
model? The alternative that wouldn=E2=80=99t suck too bad would be to creat=
e variable sized images based on how much data was actually present and ens=
ure there are no holes (or minimal holes) in the filesystem.
>>>
>>> Hmmm, if we know WHAT filesystem we=E2=80=99re dealing with, then we co=
uld perhaps enhance fsck and/or growfs to BIO_DELETE all the blocks that it=
 knows are free, which would be a useful, data-driven approach that could e=
nsure we start out with a nicely trimmed FS. Given the vagaries of the diff=
erent kinds of TRIMs and the various translation layers we have, that might=
 be the most robust.
>>
>> Having makefs spit this out would be rather useful.
>
> I=E2=80=99m not sure it would be. Any writes to the FS after you create i=
t would invalidate the list=E2=80=A6 Far easier to have fsck do it for you =
any time you need it...

Sure, but it'd be part of a larger scale image creation and writing
tool. That way you could ship images that had the sparseness bits in
them and the tool + growfs can TRIM as appropriate on the installing
media.



-a



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