Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:10:36 -0400 From: Robert Simmons <rsimmons0@gmail.com> To: Dan Langille <dan@langille.org> Cc: Victor Sudakov <vas@mpeks.tomsk.su>, freebsd-security@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Untrusted terminals: OPIE vs security/pam_google_authenticator Message-ID: <CA%2BQLa9BATisBsyAZxkJLC%2Bh5YhHzEuw_1S5S%2BoJ6mFXDjuoAow@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CA%2BQLa9BxXdqdvceJ%2BxNEOkBh4G1SkHN-DobnmtA=vWP_MHVU0A@mail.gmail.com> References: <20190618075954.GA30296@admin.sibptus.ru> <CA%2BQLa9AkOwM14nxgXmmiH8TFewaT6HGjq7vzRQ5u4YNFNh-W-w@mail.gmail.com> <DD73534E-084A-44A7-83D1-60661C64A8A4@langille.org> <CA%2BQLa9BxXdqdvceJ%2BxNEOkBh4G1SkHN-DobnmtA=vWP_MHVU0A@mail.gmail.com>
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I am thinking about it from the perspective of having one single 2fa across as many systems as possible. On Tue, Jun 18, 2019, 09:09 Robert Simmons <rsimmons0@gmail.com> wrote: > You are correct for SSH. > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019, 09:07 Dan Langille <dan@langille.org> wrote: > >> On Jun 18, 2019, at 9:02 AM, Robert Simmons <rsimmons0@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019, 04:01 Victor Sudakov <vas@mpeks.tomsk.su> wrote: >> >> Dear Colleagues, >> >> I've used OPIE for many years (and S/Key before that) to login to my >> system from untrusted terminals (cafes, libraries etc). >> >> Now I've read an opinion that OPIE is outdated (and indeed its upstream >> distribution is gone) and that pam_google_authenticator would be more >> secure: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D237270 >> >> Is that truly so? With 20 words in OPIE and only 6 digits in >> pam_google_authenticator, how strong is pam_google_authenticator against >> brute force and other attacks? >> >> >> Victor, >> >> To throw a new wrinkle in the equation: Google Authenticator codes can b= e >> intercepted by a phishing page. U2F protocol is even better, and can't b= e >> intercepted via phishing. >> >> There are U2F libraries in ports. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_2nd_Factor >> >> Cheers, >> Rob >> >> >> >> If my Google Authenticator codes are on my phone, and I'm entering them >> into my ssh session, how is a phishing page involved? >> >> =E2=80=94 >> Dan Langille >> http://langille.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >>
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