Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 12:18:20 -0500 From: Valeri Galtsev <galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd should be rewritten based on microkernel architecture Message-ID: <6017bc7a-80e1-3afe-24ba-14502607e06c@kicp.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <CAGBxaXnJoNmZVON9Hfi6P=a=KQveSPvnBmp5zYALM3d28tncXQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f1496d1f598c84b3871b630f161256e152aca75.camel@tom.com> <CAEJNuHwewpssL-t49D9pLYWNqYqwAzx4bE2eQdtow05=E9UY5Q@mail.gmail.com> <CAGBxaXmvaNtiFZiza_fGrHzWAcMp64d_NWstwvvVvQ959oGWHQ@mail.gmail.com> <681077991.2278153.1587146552233@mail.yahoo.com> <CAGBxaXkMQf9Gs2bujJZjR0Gcv3nyig_FgcGc8m8282fB8_e_Xg@mail.gmail.com> <20200417213025.16ba5877.freebsd@edvax.de> <1659102270.119843446.1587168373188.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <CAGBxaXnNMchVfrVXDkNyBuO0YiQ2%2BJm0cefu6A80YgroPTnwLQ@mail.gmail.com> <20200418092801.20d10f5b@archlinux> <CAGBxaX=4=yx-xSo0gdsVgAoA7fUn8oRq3173covquHNw61kBJQ@mail.gmail.com> <4bc4b613-50a7-4890-61e8-5ed5037b07dc@kicp.uchicago.edu> <CAGBxaXntGMioFkp3xqq9CWSBA_vh=rNcJE5zZEkGafRA4N5kTQ@mail.gmail.com> <20200418165853.79dbdde1@archlinux> <CAGBxaX=VMh0RUAZjDDJak1Tb7YX5k5ZtMumgRrufv7EMwUpy=w@mail.gmail.com> <20200418182437.037869c8@archlinux> <CAGBxaXnJoNmZVON9Hfi6P=a=KQveSPvnBmp5zYALM3d28tncXQ@mail.gmail.com>
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As Ralf did, I gave up too. This whole thread sounded like trolling to me. Could we, please, have this thread stopped for good? Valeri On 4/18/20 12:08 PM, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 12:24 PM Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions < > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > >> On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 11:26:54 -0400, Aryeh Friedman wrote: >>>> On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 20:50:09 -0400, Aryeh Friedman wrote: >>>>> And here goes the *ABSOLUTE* reason why no developer who ever hopes >>>>> to make any money at all from their work should *EVER* use GPL. >>>> >>>> It's utter nonsense! Without doubts MIT, BSD and other licenses are >>>> better for some projects, while for other projects GPL could grant a >>>> bonus. >>> >>> Not according to the FreeBSD foundation who recommends against GPL in >>> almost all cases. >>> >> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/bsdl-gpl/article.html >>> (see sections 9 and 10) >> >> They do not use the terms "absolute" and "ever". >> > > Maybe since English is not your native language then some of the subtle > context is lost but to a native speaker they say just that but much subtler > way (but is unmistakable what their preference is) while recognizing for > historical reasons some stuff has to stay GPL. See the -hackers@ and > -current@ lists if you want to see a huge amount of effort to remove as > much GPL code in the base system as possible. > > >> >> Btw. if there are already a lot of GPL licensed libraries and kernel >> abilities available for a project of some domain, that are not >> available by such an amount, if at all by another licensed >> infrastructure, it could become very expensive to create the required >> infrastructure. >> > > That's one reason why the ports collection exists to cleanly divorce the > stuff that is hard to remove GPL from what is critical to the core of the > OS. Also /usr/src/contrib is where all stuff that cannot cleanly be used > under BSD goes to make it clear it is legally separate then the rest of the > base system (legally no different than RH or any other Linux dist does when > they combine many works from different licenses into a packaged OS). > > >> Those who make a living from whatever licensed software probably have >> reasons to chose a particular license. Some probably chose the wrong >> license by mistake, other chose a license that is good for them and >> their customers. >> > > Some of them are forced to pick the wrong license due to the libraries that > are required for their work (this is my #1 objection to GPL). This is the > main reason I am so ardent in calling GPL "evil". > > >> I can't see that you are that successful with your business, as the >> coder of Ardour is with his business. That might be a wrong conclusion, >> let alone that the software license not necessarily is the reason for >> more or less success. However, you are seemingly not programming in all >> domains, but you don't restrain from generalizing. >> > > 1. Do some research before drawing conclusions if you did you would see > over the 30 years of my career I have worked in many different domains of > software development. > > 2. Since almost all my current work is covered by NDA's forced on me by > clients (I would prefer not to have them) there is no way you can judge or > not judge how successful I am > > 3. Are you a developer? If not, you likely don't understand the economics > of software development as well as you think you do > > According to the Wikipedia article on Ardour, it's primary author was hired > by a hardware company to work full time on Ardour. This is consistent > with the claim I have made throughout the entire thread that it is > impossible to work on GPL'ed projects and make a living unless your are > subsidized by some organization whose primary business is not the software > but complements the software. For example hardware companies love > open-source because it makes their hardware more useful to their customers > (they are not software companies). This does not translate to a software > only company, for self evident reasons, nor to a company that requires > one-off custom software for its primary business (such as many medical > applications). > > If you want to pick a better example of a successful open source project > that makes money I would say you should go with firefox (which is > successful, via donations, due to overwhelming critical mass not because > people would buy it if it was commercial) > > >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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