Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 22:04:05 -0600 From: Scott Long <scottl@samsco.org> To: Freddie Cash <fjwcash@gmail.com> Cc: Bruce Cran <bruce@cran.org.uk>, freebsd-current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>, Ron McDowell <rcm@fuzzwad.org>, Nathan Whitehorn <nwhitehorn@freebsd.org>, eculp <eculp@encontacto.net> Subject: Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer. Message-ID: <E224D238-DA30-420F-951A-BE99FFDA230C@samsco.org> In-Reply-To: <CAOjFWZ4O%2B=kdp_hKhq8kUXXt6Wm1krokLxsRBbM7TQchrO4VAQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <20110724162937.33865zm0kn4ztdwk@econet.encontacto.net> <4E2C8FBE.7040003@freebsd.org> <4E2CA4A7.7020100@fuzzwad.org> <CAOjFWZ5kWsxPbNLBu%2BB01v0DN7z4RZVyAHzWv2biV6iOck__Rw@mail.gmail.com> <4E2D125F.6040909@cran.org.uk> <CAOjFWZ4O%2B=kdp_hKhq8kUXXt6Wm1krokLxsRBbM7TQchrO4VAQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Jul 25, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Freddie Cash wrote: > On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Bruce Cran <bruce@cran.org.uk> = wrote: >=20 >> On 25/07/2011 06:01, Freddie Cash wrote: >>=20 >>> Thank goodness. The worst thing about sysinstall was that it tried = to be a >>> Swiss Army knife doing everything, yet not doing any one thing well. = It made >>> a royal mess of rc.conf if you tried to use it to configure a = system. >>> Usually the first time someone mentions they use it for post-install >>> configuration, the recommendation is to stop doing that! An os = installer >>> should do just that: install the os and nothing else. >>>=20 >>=20 >> I tend to disagree with this. For people unfamiliar with FreeBSD = using it >> as a systems administration tool can be really useful, at least until = they >> understand where all the various configuration files are and how they = work. >> Having recently switched to opensuse from Ubuntu I know I find the = YaST >> tool incredibly useful, and probably wouldn't have continued using = SuSE if >> it hadn't been there. Its installer mode is one of the better = installers >> I've come across, and lets you fine-tune the configuration. >>=20 >=20 > The difference is that YaST was designed from the get-go to be both a = system > management tool and a software installation tool and a system = installation > tool. Sysinstall was not, and sysinstall used as a post-install = management > tool the past couple of years has caused more issues for newbies than = it's > "solved". Um, no. Though sysinstall started life as a stop-gap until the "real" = installer was written (which never happened), it quickly switched gears = and strived to be both an installer and a configuration tool. It was = designed to do both, and there are volumes of emails from the last... = what... 15-18 years?... that will attest to this. The design flaw of = sysinstall was that it didn't follow the model-view-controller design = pattern, so over time it became harder and harder to maintain it, and it = essentially rotted as the system evolved around it, despite many valiant = efforts by many tireless developers. YaST did a much better job of = following the MVC pattern, and it shows 10 years later. Scott
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