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Date:      Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:48:36 -0700 (MST)
From:      Atipa <freebsd@atipa.com>
To:        Remy NONNENMACHER <remy@synx.com>
Cc:        freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Dual proc PII MB of choice?
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.3.91.980225092250.13832C-100000@dot.ishiboo.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.A32.3.91.980225120956.2188G-100000@rs1>

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On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Remy NONNENMACHER wrote:

> 
> On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Atipa wrote:
> 
> > 
> > If you could overclock a hard drive I'd have to agree.. :)
> > (... Lets see how this Cheetah does at 15,000 RPM... )
> >
> 
> use ccd. i got more than 50MB/s using 4 disks and 34MB/s with 2 (IBM DGVS 
> 9GB - 10050 RPM).

Cool!
  
> > > > Our failure rates on CPUs have jumped by an order of magnitude since 
> > > > people have started oc'ing. Overclocking voids most distributors 
> > > > warranties, and is not worth the risk. The CPU is hardly ever the 
> > > > bottleneck anyway. 
> 
> The big problem seems to be the heating. AMD and Cyrix procs goes very 
> high. For exemple, running the RC5 client on an AMD make the temp goes to 
> hell in only 2 minutes. On the other hand, i Oc'd a PII 300 to 337Mh and 
> seen no noticeable temperature change.

You are correct that heating is the _primary_ enemy, but it does not 
change the realilty that operating processors outside of their 
specification increases the chance of electron migration and error, and 
should not be condoned.

> The idle state of a Unix machine  is very helpfull. 
In other words, oc'ing usually won't make your system noticably faster. :)

> All Unix running procs, here, are cold and same procs 
> running M$ stuffs are very hot. (At the point we got problems with Cyrix 
> procs at native frequencies). I would recommand that an Overclocking 
> operation will be followed by a week of loading, testing, etc... And that 
> returning to normal operation would be done in case of any, even little, 
> incident that can't be explained.

What about the long term effect on the processors? There is a good chance 
you are shortening the longevity of the processor, even if it does not 
initially produce errors.

> (Note that M$ stuff, by itself, is not 
> stable enought to be a pertinent tool).

That is precisely why I don't recommend overclocking; there are so mary
variables to deal with that adding one more big one is a big pain in the
ass.  I agree that _most_ the time oc'ed processors do their job, but it
may take several hours to resolve such intermittancies. OC'ing problems
are horribly unpredictable. 

Do you honestly notice enough of a performance gain to justify the 
potential headaches and expenses? I _had_ been an overclocker, but have 
realized it just ain't worth it :)

Kevin

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