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Date:      Sat, 27 Feb 1999 18:04:39 -0500
From:      Dennis <dennis@etinc.com>
To:        Chuck Robey <chuckr@mat.net>
Cc:        hackers@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Cobalt blames linux for their security problems!
Message-ID:  <199902272256.RAA27543@etinc.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9902271453520.68172-100000@picnic.mat.net>
References:  <199902271927.OAA26965@etinc.com>

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At 02:56 PM 2/27/99 -0500, you wrote:
>On Sat, 27 Feb 1999, Dennis wrote:
>
>> At 09:18 PM 2/27/99 +1030, you wrote:
>> >On Saturday, 27 February 1999 at  2:16:02 -0500, mike@seidata.com wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 26 Feb 1999, Julian Elischer wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> There's a good idea.. use a free OS and then blame it for your
problems..
>> >>
>> >> Tell me about it...  here's my response.
>> >>
>> >> <quote>
>> >> [snip]
>> >> </quote>
>> >>
>> >> I had actually looked into some of Cobalt's products...  must say I've
>> >> lost quite a bit of respect for them as a result of their reponse to
>> >> this issue.  Then again, what's to consider anyway...  They don't run
>> >> FreeBSD.  ;)
>> >
>> >They could just as well have run FreeBSD.  The issue here is that they
>> >(or somebody else) are blaming the OS for their own mistakes.
>> 
>> Well the RAQ is a RISC processor that FreeBSD doesnt support,  so I dont
>> think that that was an option. Blaming an OS is an OK thing I
think...you cant
>> as a vendor be expected to fix everything thats wrong....PCI shared
memory on
>> secondary buses doesnt seem to work in FreeBSD2.2 (havent tried 3.1 yet)...
>> you have to blame the OS as its not practical to fix it yourself.
>
>Dennis, did you read enough of that article?  Their problem was leaving
>around a .history file, it hadn't anything at all to do with pci
>probing.
>
>That article had more factual screwups (on both sides, to be fair) than
>I can believe ... let's not make it worse by skimming the facts to fit
>our moods.

I was generalizing more on the point that many seemed to be making that
you shouldnt blame a free OS for its fallacies that the specifics of the 
cobalt situation. Sorry if I didnt make that clear.

Dennis


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