Date: Sat, 07 Jun 1997 10:34:27 +0100 From: Brian Somers <brian@awfulhak.org> To: John Utz <spaz@u.washington.edu> Cc: Brian Somers <brian@awfulhak.org>, "Lenzi, Sergio" <lenzi@bsi.com.br>, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IPDIVERT not working in 2.2.2 Message-ID: <199706070934.KAA20321@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 06 Jun 1997 15:07:17 PDT." <Pine.OSF.3.95.970606145523.10826A-100000@becker1.u.washington.edu>
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> On Fri, 6 Jun 1997, Brian Somers wrote:
>
> > .... context about panics with natd removed...
> >
> > Don't feel lonely. You're the forth report of pppd/natd
> > causing a panic I've seen.
> >
> > I think this problem is going to creep to the top of my list
> > pretty soon. It seems that most people that wish to use natd
> > are people that don't like ppp for whatever reasons and want
> > to go the pppd route.
>
> well,this seems sort of obvious to me from an orthagonality approach..:-)
> basically people appear to be doing this at the "layer" they are
> comfortable at.
>
> pppd folks want to use another daemon and ijppp folks just grabbed the
> patch.
What I meant to say was that natd is meant as a way of masquerading
on any interface. As ppp already has this functionality, it seemed
strange to me that people were using pppd/natd. As it turns out,
natd is just allowing people to say "Ahhh, I don't really have to
use ppp, I can use pppd/natd".
Natd just doesn't have the audience I expected it to have.
> using natd and ppp would seem sort of weird to me at first glance..
Yep. I'm probably the only person that does it - and that's only for
testing.
> i am an avid user of ijppp ( dba as user level ppp ). I have never noodled
> with pppd. As a matter of fact, the only daemons i have successfully
> configured are the ones for samba. and that was a struggle.
>
> now i assume natd adds some functionality that cmott's ( and elvin
> ecklund's? ) "-alias" mods to ijppp dont have. But what are they? with
> ppp -alias and ssh everything JustWorks(tm). This means that all my needs
> were satisfied using a patched ijppp with my existing configuration file
> and ssh, which required no configuration at all.
That's "Eivind Eklund" :)
ppp in 2.2 and -current are now in sync with natd. They both use the
same alias code (by Charles). Natd is about to be imported into the
main tree, and will use the same libalias that ppp is using.
> just my 0.02..
[.....]
> john
>
> *******************************************************************************
> John Utz spaz@u.washington.edu
> idiocy is the impulse function in the convolution of life
>
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