Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 09:54:07 +0200 From: Mathieu Arnold <mat@FreeBSD.org> To: Julian Elischer <julian@freebsd.org>, David Demelier <demelier.david@gmail.com>, Andrea Venturoli <ml@netfence.it> Cc: Matthieu Volat <mazhe@alkumuna.eu>, "freebsd-ports@freebsd.org" <freebsd-ports@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: harder and harder to avoid pkg Message-ID: <5a38b25d-2ac9-cd9b-0701-fbaad5af06c0@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <a8a151c8-9f44-f057-4d16-675924229cbe@freebsd.org> References: <638fe078-80db-2492-90be-f1280eb8d445@freebsd.org> <20161012092403.66a41d9e@freedom.alkumuna.eu> <00f3768e-f57a-661c-aa62-89cdf10926bd@netfence.it> <CAO%2BPfDfLtw6OjPvrMC5hzfEL1CH7wyLZ0=RQstqZrRmOmk5pxA@mail.gmail.com> <a8a151c8-9f44-f057-4d16-675924229cbe@freebsd.org>
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This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --4iMoPnVKuobFtcwhHAEP7tMjuTriNPt68 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="1sV4fewiVLWxMgoDMxRfQ04UaagUau7ac"; protected-headers="v1" From: Mathieu Arnold <mat@FreeBSD.org> To: Julian Elischer <julian@freebsd.org>, David Demelier <demelier.david@gmail.com>, Andrea Venturoli <ml@netfence.it> Cc: Matthieu Volat <mazhe@alkumuna.eu>, "freebsd-ports@freebsd.org" <freebsd-ports@freebsd.org> Message-ID: <5a38b25d-2ac9-cd9b-0701-fbaad5af06c0@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: harder and harder to avoid pkg References: <638fe078-80db-2492-90be-f1280eb8d445@freebsd.org> <20161012092403.66a41d9e@freedom.alkumuna.eu> <00f3768e-f57a-661c-aa62-89cdf10926bd@netfence.it> <CAO+PfDfLtw6OjPvrMC5hzfEL1CH7wyLZ0=RQstqZrRmOmk5pxA@mail.gmail.com> <a8a151c8-9f44-f057-4d16-675924229cbe@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <a8a151c8-9f44-f057-4d16-675924229cbe@freebsd.org> --1sV4fewiVLWxMgoDMxRfQ04UaagUau7ac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le 14/10/2016 =C3=A0 09:34, Julian Elischer a =C3=A9crit : > On 13/10/2016 5:42 AM, David Demelier wrote: >> 2016-10-12 10:04 GMT+02:00 Andrea Venturoli <ml@netfence.it>: >>> On 10/12/16 09:24, Matthieu Volat wrote: >>> >>>> And GNU/Linuxes can be a PITA when you have to track -dev(el) packag= es >>>> (which sometimes really requires -bin, -app or whatever), or worst, >>>> describe >>>> to people how they are supposed to build your software with weird >>>> subpackage >>>> names. >>>> >>>> I really like that ports provides the software project as intended b= y >>>> upstream (modulo options). >>> >>> Just a "me too" here! >> Could not agree more. >> >> Please forget that idea. >> >> I just hate having to install libfoo, libfoo-dev, libfoo-dbg, >> libfoo-doc, libfoo-whatever each time I need to develop on Linux. >> Please do not transform FreeBSD as a Linux distribution :) >> >> I love the way FreeBSD and some very sparse Linux distributions >> provide the packages exactly how it would be installed by hand (=3D >> vanilla). >> >> FreeBSD offers some options and very few changes for better >> integration but packages are provided vanilla. You want a package? You= >> install /packagename/ nothing more, nothing less. I really would like >> to see simple vanilla packages for the next 10 years. >> >> The FreeBSD ports is already extremely complicated, do not make it >> even harder :( > The suggestion is not for ports, but for packages.. > a single package could be unpacked in 'runtime only' or 'everything' > mode. > basically one package, two manifests. So no "foo-devel" or "foo-runtim= e" > just 'foo' It is for ports, because packages are built using ports, and ports would need to grow the feature. --=20 Mathieu Arnold --1sV4fewiVLWxMgoDMxRfQ04UaagUau7ac-- --4iMoPnVKuobFtcwhHAEP7tMjuTriNPt68 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJYAI8gXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQzQUI2OTc4OUQyRUQxMjEwNjQ0MEJBNUIz QTQ1MTZGMzUxODNDRTQ4AAoJEDpFFvNRg85IiIoP/AnBYrXbrzs1fR4NeyZ0o1Tm 9WAtdGxik9qnLbvvrjjLIxvkhsYsVD9xuxxqo/zxYekqLp5ekFolpaJXbwccy2G8 mfXqRJ30V++jS8evVyLSNBX5oue076SevQ7aTt/5p5SBar1zyPOeLLoO1IKZTxcX LBpo1tp8jWUsN8vGuOvRoksY0JTpSua7pA+Lrkero7IakeXJuYgBmBRUhv8zN4S9 zPaiFbf2yQKW43wIBqCPFsXkfauS6LMbSrRb2Lnfs9Jk1VQeFQ8MZ9QgUi/Dm5UO a3mG1LAo/2jljgCj1w8chT8tV4e+hbmRD3qBD3Gt5R0dZn0kkr4877nIU44c4uDt AkTNlJyGuI2SsllCB/bzZj8JxKkURP9cdYamISRKNKr9PBKcMASL0ZeyI5UbXrDC AFBJWdXKVcH6RdlhPO3l9OCTGwjwVZrfFfY6cH5+nSGmKE0tzMO4NLi/Ob1g0TWq znVqO0dTCK7sg3LJBoy7AyJQ9KWjq4nH/79uH6f6vUeWKY0uEdCkW2oy9aVGWVl1 R6Zd298F9fvlZeMHcqJdzYb/l4N76iUO1VBM2Ntk4IRGlU3+bh/ngQnIBE25VT71 hi2sepo0eIThga4rpJbtsKFJfLpjFC0d98zL1TehH7KXy+RpNoMY5hlq2twEpFaA nnrc1O16qzvO9EL9+5yt =9zps -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --4iMoPnVKuobFtcwhHAEP7tMjuTriNPt68--
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