Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 14:56:11 +0300 From: Gleb Popov <6yearold@gmail.com> To: Julian Elischer <julian@freebsd.org> Cc: FreeBSD ports list <freebsd-ports@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: 6100 subdirectories in /usr/ports/devel! Message-ID: <CALH631=YvOB344o8EiiPz-LxyuuCgGif_NB%2BvYKe57w0VZ6O9w@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <c11f29e9-8ebd-1f66-f759-953882c191f8@freebsd.org> References: <20171228203634.GK99670@rancor.immure.com> <5A4557E8.70907@grosbein.net> <5A455A04.4090100@grosbein.net> <20171228211639.GL99670@rancor.immure.com> <c11f29e9-8ebd-1f66-f759-953882c191f8@freebsd.org>
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On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 9:45 AM, Julian Elischer <julian@freebsd.org> wrote:
> On 29/12/17 5:16 am, Bob Willcox wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 03:54:28AM +0700, Eugene Grosbein wrote:
>>
>>> 29.12.2017 3:36, Bob Willcox wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anyone else feel that having 6100 subdirectories (939 are for py-*
>>>>> stuff)
>>>>> is a bit excessive?
>>>>>
>>>> It is. But py-* stuff has second place only:
>>>>
>>>> $ ls /usr/ports/devel | sed 's/-.*//' | sort | uniq -c | sort -rn | head
>>>> 1908 p5
>>>> 964 py
>>>> 600 rubygem
>>>> 280 hs
>>>> 176 pear
>>>> 57 R
>>>> 56 pecl
>>>> 48 elixir
>>>> 47 geany
>>>> 43 erlang
>>>>
>>> In fact, ports/devel is first but not only category having similar
>>> problem with p5-* stuff:
>>>
>>> $ cd /usr/ports
>>> $ find . -type d -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 | while read category; do
>>> printf "%15s " ${category#./}; ls $category | sed 's/-.*//' | sort | uniq
>>> -c | sort -rn | head -1; done | sort -k 2,2 -rn | head -15
>>> devel 1908 p5
>>> www 807 p5
>>> textproc 617 p5
>>> net 327 p5
>>> databases 259 p5
>>> security 258 p5
>>> math 146 p5
>>> mail 145 p5
>>> graphics 100 p5
>>> editors 98 libreoffice
>>> sysutils 75 rubygem
>>> converters 72 p5
>>> misc 63 p5
>>> net-mgmt 56 p5
>>> x11-toolkits 49 p5
>>>
>>> Yeah, I happened to notice the py-* stuff due to some problems I have
>> been
>> having with synth. I did notice the large number of p5-* subdirs but
>> didn't
>> count them. :)
>>
>> Certainly seems to be out of control...
>>
>> the py and p5 stuff is a symptom of another problem, which is that we are
> only second level for those files...
>
> the correct behaviour in my point of view is for our packages/ports system
> to delegate to pypi or similar for python and to CPAN for perl.
>
> maybe with the ability to add some patches on the way through.. There is
> just too much going on there for us to follow properly.
I double this thought! This is what I'm goinf to head to with Haskell ports
one time.
There is a hitch, though. Hackage, the haskell package database, is a dump.
You easily can get a version clash between to packages. No one curates
them. So, while there was only Hackage maintaining hs- ports made sense -
we've been cheking all the packages we have to compile/work together. But
now Stackage emerged, which is a curated package DB, so our ports is a
duplicated work now. The port is only needed if it is not present on
Stackage or if it require FreeBSD specific patches that haven't been
upstreamed yet.
If PyPi and CPAN has the same notion of curated package set, we should not
duplicate this effort and remove much of our py- and p5- ports.
>
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