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Date:      Sun, 16 Jul 2023 16:29:47 -0800
From:      Rob Wing <rob.fx907@gmail.com>
To:        Matthew Grooms <mgrooms@shrew.net>
Cc:        "virtualization@freebsd.org" <virtualization@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: BHYVE SNAPSHOT image format proposal
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On Saturday, July 15, 2023, Matthew Grooms <mgrooms@shrew.net> wrote:
>
>
> I don't know how to state it more clearly: Making binary copies of the
> data structures is the problem. Something tells me that you'll continue to
> ignore this, so I'll stop saying it.


Maybe this is where our disconnect is?

Can you give me a pointer to the code for the data structures you're
thinking of?

When I say binary data, I'm thinking of the guest memory being saved..

Rob, I'm not hear to argue with you.


Likewise, I don't feel like we are arguing..I look at this as trying to
hash out a solution to the problem.

I understand your stance is that the UPB patch solves the problem we're
discussing. And I've given my reasons why the patch falls short.

I've shared all the opinions I feel are relevant to the file format
> proposal and would prefer not to waste the list's time.
>

 I don't see how we are wasting the lists time. So far, we've stayed on
topic and have kept it civil.

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On Saturday, July 15, 2023, Matthew Grooms &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgrooms@sh=
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I don&#39;t know how to state it more clearly: Making binary copies of the =
data structures is the problem. Something tells me that you&#39;ll continue=
 to ignore this, so I&#39;ll stop saying it.</blockquote><div><br></div><di=
v>Maybe this is where our disconnect is?</div><div><br></div><div>Can you g=
ive me a pointer to the code for the data structures you&#39;re thinking of=
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Rob, I&#39;m not hear to argue with you.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Li=
kewise, I don&#39;t feel like we are arguing..I look at this as trying to h=
ash out a solution to the problem.</div><div><br></div><div>I understand yo=
ur stance is that the UPB patch solves the problem we&#39;re discussing. An=
d I&#39;ve given my reasons why the patch falls short.</div><div><br></div>=
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x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I&#39;ve shared all the opinions I feel are =
relevant to the file format proposal and would prefer not to waste the list=
&#39;s time.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0I don&#39;t see how =
we are wasting the lists time. So far, we&#39;ve stayed on topic and have k=
ept it civil.</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0</div>

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