Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 00:31:46 +0000 From: Grzegorz Junka <list1@gjunka.com> To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [RFC] Why FreeBSD ports should have branches by OS version Message-ID: <19474ced-28cf-917d-4642-cb8a501bd56f@gjunka.com> In-Reply-To: <f71c5fd7-80ae-0766-c116-79c4881d840d@columbus.rr.com> References: <CAO%2BPfDeFz1JeSwU3f21Waz3nT2LTSDAvD%2B8MSPRCzgM_0pKGnA@mail.gmail.com> <20170622121856.haikphjpvr6ofxn3@ivaldir.net> <dahnkctsm1elbaqlarl8b9euouaplqk2tv@4ax.com> <20170622141644.yadxdubynuhzygcy@ivaldir.net> <4jrnkcpurfmojfdnglqg5f97sohcuv56sv@4ax.com> <20170622211126.GA6878@lonesome.com> <n8eokc5fafda8gedtvbhh7i0qdk83gur5q@4ax.com> <594C4663.5080209@quip.cz> <f71c5fd7-80ae-0766-c116-79c4881d840d@columbus.rr.com>
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On 22/06/2017 23:16, Baho Utot wrote: > On 6/22/2017 6:36 PM, Miroslav Lachman wrote: >> scratch65535@att.net wrote on 2017/06/23 00:15: >>> [Default] On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 16:11:26 -0500, Mark Linimon >>> <linimon@lonesome.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 12:32:45PM -0400, scratch65535@att.net wrote: >>>>> My problem is that my industry experience tells me that reducing >>>>> the frequency of port releases is practically *guaranteed* to be >>>>> a Really Good Thing for everyone. >>>> >>>> I remember before we had the quarterly releases, and people on the >>>> mailing lists complained constantly about the ports bits only being >>>> available once per release, or rolling with -head. >>> >>> Mark, I can only suppose that those complainers are dilettantes >>> of some sort who believe that having The Latest-And-Greatest Bits >>> is a social-status enhancer. **Nobody** with real work to do >>> ever willingly fools away time "fixing" what isn't broken. >> >> And this is where you are so wrong. Ports tree is never in the state >> where everything works and has no bugs. (and cannot be, because >> upstreams have bugs) Even if it compiles and installs it does not >> mean that it is not broken and nobody needs newer version. >> Just because your needs are different than others doesn't mean others >> are dilettantes. >> > > That is just an argument to not do anything, by default. > > Here is my point, I am a user that installs an OS ( FreeBSD-11.0). > Then builds the base from releng-11.0. Followed by building the ports > I need. That doesn't give me a usable system always. Should I not be > able to do the above and expect a stable system? If not I am running > the wrong OS/system. Updates are another monster as I do not want to > place my now running system ( finally stable ) and do this all over > again. I am not up for that. Hell FreeBSD can not even boot my dual > boot system Win7 and FreeBSD 11.0 on zfs raid without going to BIOS > and selecting the disk to boot from. No one here could point me to > how to set it up using grub as a boot loader! The only information I > got was to wing it using half baked information. A user would probably start with precompiled packages. Only power users who know what they are doing would try to compile the packages themselves, and at that point I would expect them to know a thing or two about verifying that they compile and work fine. Grzegorz
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