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Date:      Mon, 08 Feb 1999 19:54:37 +0100 (CET)
From:      Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@wxs.nl>
To:        Dag-Erling Smorgrav <des@flood.ping.uio.no>
Cc:        "Jason C. Wells" <jcwells@u.washington.edu>, "Jason C. Wells" <jcwells@u.washington.edu>, Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com>, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com>, Mike Smith <mike@smith.net.au>, "Oben O. Candemir" <dunya@one.net.au>
Subject:   Re: Sore Support
Message-ID:  <XFMail.990208195437.asmodai@wxs.nl>
In-Reply-To: <xzp3e4hnhrj.fsf@flood.ping.uio.no>

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On 08-Feb-99 Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote:
> "Oben O. Candemir" <dunya@one.net.au> writes:
>> On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, Mike Smith wrote:
>> > Yes, we need more help.  Yes, we know this.  No, you're not providing 
>> > any.  Please recitfy the situation.
>> [...]
>> I think you guys ought to lose some of the 'attitude' and perhaps be
>> more
>> accepting of people who can help in ways other than codin'. There are
>> people smarter and more talented than even you... get used to the idea I
>> say.
> 
> That is utter bullshit. Go tell the good people on freebsd-doc that we
> don't respect people who can't code, and watch them laugh in your
> face.

I agree with DES here. Nik Clayton has done a great job reorganising the
documents and Wolfram has done great things maintaining the WWW pages.
Repect to them both.
 
> We do not, however, respect people who come out of the blue with no
> documented experience and tell us how to run our shop. I have yet to
> see you post something on this (or any) list that isn't venomous or
> arrogant or both. Show us that you *can* contribute something
> valuable, *then* come tell us how to do things better.

Here I have to side with Oben though, he has written some very good
documents IMHO for the FreeBSD ezine (at www.freebsdzine.org).

But guys let's just drop all the bullshit and sharp remarks to both sides
and start to work on what we love to contribute to eh?

*goes off to mess with some patches and writing up some docs*

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