Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:51:30 -0600 From: "Don Muller" <dmuller@lcc.net> To: <freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Is this how to use Freebsd? Message-ID: <003c01c044ed$292e1e00$490822d1@user>
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[-- Attachment #1 --] Hello, I have some questions that maybe someone could help with. I leased a new server, and redhat 6 .2 was put as the operating system Shortly after that the machine was hacked. Apparently the machine was a peach because the hackers used the server to launch DOS attacks from. The high output hit 44MBS ! Well, the company did not explain how, or why it happened. The programmer I work with suggested BSD.Of course I wanted security! Well, I told the Network admin that I wanted some security because I thought the hackers would come back. He said, well, when we put you on a 10 pipe, (of your 10-100) the attacks stopped, so I don't think they will come back as they know they are detected. Also, in 98% of the cases they just move on. Well I didn't really think this was all that well thought out, and ripe for abuse, but what could I do? So I told them to leave the 10mbs pipe on for a few days in case they come back. Well guess what? They came back! Just a few hours later, and attacked with the 10 mbs pipe. And it took way longer to detect! Of course. At 44 mbs they detect it right away. So, when is the network guy gonna do something smart? Well, they gave me some explanation that the server was hacked at the xfs port. But later I was told that the ftp port on redhat 6.2 was the vulnerability, so they actually were not sure? They did little to tell me what to do either, other than to "Clean up". We decided best was to start over rather than look for back doors etc. So this is when we had the network people install Freebsd. And where my questions lie. Well, They didnt put a smp in the kernal, it was a dual processor. We fixed that, but the programmer I work with noticed that the files were not right. We have (2) 9 gig hard drives, and one had 8.3 gigs of space in /home, The other had 18 mb in / and /var had 19 mb /usr had 7.2 gigs ..... So, we were told that this is a normal out of the box configuration for Freebsd. Does that make sense? I do not know. But I need to know if my programmer is not really understanding the files and how they are used in Freebsd, Or if the Network guys made a mistake, and are thinking we won't catch it. Because...the network guys suggested we try (well at first one guy agreed and said, yeah, those files and partitions don't look right, I agree with your programmer) ...so he suggested that we do the following: / 48 mb -- 18 free /var --19 mb /usr -- 7.2 gig drive 2 /home 8.3 mv /usr/* /usr/usr cp / /usr cp /var /usr reload boot software and edit /usr/etc (after copy) to make /usr / -- Well, when our guy logged in and did that it shut his connection down. The computer just kept looking for a getty file. So his copy probably messed with the connection when the connection info was moved...or something I was told by the network guys. Well, I am not a program or a system guy.. But I am thinking that I, or we are not totally at fault with what happened here,and should not have to pay for a re install. So, could you comment and expand where possible on the following, it would be appreciated, and we could then have an idea what to do as well. 1).Does the network have any obligation to lock down a server, before they hand it over? They have been hit by 10 such attacks since mine and have changed the strategy to locking the systems down. 2).Does the file and partition system look ok for a 2 drive Freebsd install? We mainly want to use 1 hd and have one for back up of the first. 3). Is the following a system that defeats the purpose of Freebsd, or is not a good way to use it? *Not from programmer Tell them to set up the drives as follows: ___1 paritition per drive___ drive 1 mount to / drive 2 mount to /mnt/backup Ok, well I guess I have confused you enough. Please forward any ideas you may have on teh subject. Thanks D Muller [-- Attachment #2 --] <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" http-equiv=Content-Type> <META content="MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Garamond size=3>Hello,</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Garamond>I have some questions that maybe someone could help with.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Garamond>I leased a new server, and redhat 6 .2 was put as the operating system Shortly after that the machine was hacked. Apparently the machine was a peach because the hackers used the server to launch DOS attacks from. The high output hit 44MBS !</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Garamond>Well, the company did not explain how, or why it happened. The programmer I work with suggested BSD.Of course I wanted security!</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Garamond>Well, I told the Network admin that I wanted some security because I thought the hackers would come back. He said, well, when we put you on a 10 pipe, (of your 10-100) the attacks stopped, so I don't think they will come back as they know they are detected.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Garamond>Also, in 98% of the cases they just move on.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Garamond>Well I didn't really think this was all that well thought out, and ripe for abuse, but what could I do? So I told them to leave the 10mbs pipe on for a few days in case they come back.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Garamond>Well guess what? They came back! Just a few hours later, and attacked with the 10 mbs pipe. And it took way longer to detect! Of course. At 44 mbs they detect it right away.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Garamond>So, when is the network guy gonna do something smart?</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Garamond>Well, they gave me some explanation that the server was hacked at the xfs port. But later I was told that the ftp port on redhat 6.2 was the vulnerability, so they actually were not sure? They did little to tell me what to do either, other than to "Clean up".</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Garamond>We decided best was to start over rather than look for back doors etc.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Garamond>So this is when we had the network people install Freebsd. And where my questions lie.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Garamond>Well, They didnt put a smp in the kernal, it was a dual processor. We fixed that, but the programmer I work with noticed that the files were not right. We have (2) 9 gig hard drives, and one had 8.3 gigs of space in /home, The other had 18 mb in / and</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Garamond>/var had 19 mb /usr had 7.2 gigs .....</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Garamond>So, we were told that this is a normal out of the box configuration for Freebsd. Does that make sense?</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Garamond>I do not know.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Garamond>But I need to know if my programmer is not really understanding the files and how they are used in Freebsd, Or if the Network guys made a mistake, and are thinking we won't catch it.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Garamond>Because...the network guys suggested we try (well at first one guy agreed and said, yeah, those files and partitions don't look right, I agree with your programmer) ...so he suggested that we do the following:</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Garamond size=3>/ 48 mb -- 18 free<BR>/var --19 mb<BR>/usr -- 7.2 gig<BR><BR><BR>drive 2<BR>/home 8.3<BR><BR>mv /usr/* /usr/usr<BR>cp / /usr<BR>cp /var /usr<BR><BR>reload boot software and edit /usr/etc (after copy) to make /usr /<BR>--<BR><FONT size=3>Well, when our guy logged in and did that it shut his connection down. The computer just kept looking for a getty file. So his copy probably messed with the connection when the connection info was moved...or something I was told by the network guys.</FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Garamond>Well, I am not a program or a system guy.. But I am thinking that I, or we are not totally at fault with what happened here,and should not have to pay for a re install.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Garamond>So, could you comment and expand where possible on the following, it would be appreciated, and we could then have an idea what to do as well.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Garamond>1).Does the network have any obligation to lock down a server, before they hand it over? They have been hit by 10 such attacks since mine and have changed the strategy to locking the systems down.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Garamond>2).Does the file and partition system look ok for a 2 drive Freebsd install? We mainly want to use 1 hd and have one for back up of the first.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Garamond>3). Is the following a system that defeats the purpose of Freebsd, or is not a good way to use it?</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Garamond>*Not from programmer</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Garamond>Tell them to set up the drives as follows:<BR><BR>___1 paritition per drive___<BR><BR>drive 1 mount to /<BR><BR>drive 2 mount to /mnt/backup<BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Garamond></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Garamond><FONT size=3>Ok, well I guess I have confused you enough.</FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Garamond><FONT size=3></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Garamond><FONT size=3>Please forward any ideas you may have on teh subject.</FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Garamond><FONT size=3></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Garamond><FONT size=3>Thanks</FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Garamond><FONT size=3></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Garamond><FONT size=3>D Muller</FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Garamond><FONT size=3></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Garamond><FONT size=3><BR><BR> </DIV></FONT></FONT> <DIV> </DIV></BODY></HTML>
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