Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 08:51:19 -0800 From: "Brian" <bri@sonicboom.org> To: "Roman Neuhauser" <neuhauser@bellavista.cz>, "Jim Arnold" <jarnold@knightridder.com> Cc: <questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: once last try Message-ID: <026201c2aaa3$87890410$3224200a@me3> References: <20021223112336.4286.qmail@web10707.mail.yahoo.com> <20021223123554.GB690@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> <a05200f03ba2cc64b0e33@[192.168.0.4]> <20021223144533.GH690@freepuppy.bellavista.cz>
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You get the below from a mail -v destaddress, maillog or what? I would try
the above mail -v tactic if you havent yet.
Bri
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roman Neuhauser" <neuhauser@bellavista.cz>
To: "Jim Arnold" <jarnold@knightridder.com>
Cc: <questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 6:45 AM
Subject: Re: once last try
> # jarnold@knightridder.com / 2002-12-23 09:05:13 -0500:
> > ># bsdsys@yahoo.com / 2002-12-23 03:23:36 -0800:
> > >> OK. I have tried unsuscribing to this mailing list and
> > >> re-subscribing to it and then sending e-mails to it to
> > >> test but my e-mails never make it. I know this e-mail
> > >> will make it to the list but this account is not the
> > >> one im having problems with. I'm having problems with
> > >> my POP account. if someone could help me figure out
> > >> what the problem is i would appreciate it. I dont get
> > >> any error messages back either when i try to send
> > > > e-mails to this list from my POP account.
> >
> > I have the same problem as you. I am no longer able to send questions
> > in via my regular POP account. It suddenly stopped working a few
> > months back as far as I can tell. Once I unsubscribed from the list I
> > could THEN post a question.
> >
> > I use RoadRunner cable modem but use my work email address as the
> > return email address. Roman, are you saying that's why I cannot post
> > to the list?
>
> because you use a RoadRunner cable modem or because you use your
> work address? neither is relevant. what is relevant is the MTA that
> talks to mx1.freebsd.org.the
>
> take a look at this (read bottom up):
>
> Received: from ohsmtp01.ogw.rr.com (ohsmtp01.ogw.rr.com [65.24.7.36])
> by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0731D43EDC
> for <questions@freebsd.org>; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 06:06:52 -0800
(PST)
> (envelope-from jarnold@knightridder.com)
> Received: from jimarnold.org (a11d015.neo.rr.com [204.210.211.15])
> by ohsmtp01.ogw.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id
gBNE6bjX002754;
> Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:06:37 -0500 (EST)
> Received: from [192.168.0.4] (mac [192.168.0.4])
> by jimarnold.org (Postfix) with ESMTP
> id C95AF369C; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:06:37 -0500 (EST)
>
> you typed this message on a box with IP 192.168.0.4.
>
> that machine has no idea what its name might be, and so (properly)
> sent "[192.168.0.4]" as an argument to the EHLO/HELO command in SMTP
> conversation with 204.210.211.15 (who's internal IP is not recorded
> in the above headers).
>
> 204.210.211.15 thinks its name is jimarnold.org (i don't think so.
> jimarnold.org resolves only to 216.201.16.227), and that's how it
> introduces itself in SMTP conversation with ohsmtp01.ogw.rr.com.
> this box knows jimarnold.org's real name is a11d015.neo.rr.com, but
> it doesn't mind this lie.
>
> ohsmtp01.ogw.rr.com knows it's real name, and that's what it uses in
> SMTP conversation with mx1.freebsd.org; that in turn sees the other
> side is honest, and has DNS ok both ways: ohsmtp01.ogw.rr.com is
> 65.24.7.36, which is ohsmtp01.ogw.rr.com.
>
> voila, your message got through. should you bypass your provider's
> MTA your messges would get rejected; or, to be precise, your MTA
> would be rejected as mx1.freebsd.org would refuse to talk to it.
>
> reason? probably the larges source of spam is people with cable or
> xDSL connections. those computers most frequently don't fit the
> mx1's requirements regarding DNS (as opposed to ISP's servers, which
> do; if they don't, the ISP is clueless)
>
> > I don't see how this helps fight spam if I can post to the list from
> > an account that is no longer subscribed to the list.
>
> questions@ is advertised as a help forum (on CD's etc), and
> freebsd.org's postmasters probably think most of the people who
> seek FreeBSD-related help don't have the capacity to subscribe to a
> mailing list. :)
>
> > Plus, I have to believe there are many, many people like me who use
> > their work email addresses as their return email address from other
> > ISP's
>
> MTA's couldn't care less about your messages' headers. all that
> counts is the IPs, DNS names, and SMTP envelopes.
>
> --
> If you cc me or remove the list(s) completely I'll most likely ignore
> your message. see http://www.eyrie.org./~eagle/faqs/questions.html
>
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